while i dont always like your line of argumentation, i see what youre saying here

They have to keep 50% of their assets in France

It’s not really a controversial point, just basic geopolitical reality

they formed around a very specific merger of capitalism & US interest, they didn't form around democracy or democratic values.

the issue is that the only way out of this is through an abandonment of the nation state, private property etc, which is what they support

however a multipolar world where the us is there alongside other major powers brings you no closer to this

leftist ideology, when applied politically becomes another vehicle for groups to gain power over others.

the only anarchists here are the ones supporting US hegemony & celebrating the war

Call it what you want dude, besides the point

A lot of you need to learn to just be honest and say “America bad” and be done with it instead of coming up with these rationalizations and bad faith arguments

it's not besides the point at all. you're mistaking the interest of the ruling class and the causalities of conflicts w/ disparate economic and social norms.

Even if you weren’t mistaken about that, like I said, besides the point.

how is it besides the point? you don't even know what you're arguing because you're so caught up in defending something completely arbitrary.

end of the day, america enforcing its system is not an argument against aiding ukraine

I know exactly what I’m arguing. You’re just trying to engage in the typical “US and friends aren’t really democracies” thing to try to act like there isn’t a clear as f***ing day delineation between the values and political systems of the US bloc and the PRC bloc.

And you obviously know there’s a difference or else you wouldn’t be so ardently in favor of the latter bloc and against the former

it is an argument against american involvement in ukraine

yeah the values of the prc are better than the US

no american involvement in ukraine means ukraine loses sovereignty and is set back

if this is something people are willing to pay then fair enough but it makes the world a worse place, it wont stop with ukraine

That’s your prerogative to think that. But you then try to act like that contradicts what I’m saying which is not the case and it makes you look not very smart

hyperindividualist flawed democracy vs abnormally smart communist country with collectivism for most and luxury for a few

i think you're entirely mistaken on what the actual motives of american policy are vs what they ideologically say they are motivated by

the US is not a democracy.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all which is why I said you have no clue what you're saying.
I'm saying I don't understand why you value democracy or what democracy intrinsically brings to the table. You already admitted it's simply a result of national interest and strategy because of historical developments. Okay. How does that national interest result in any intrinsic benefit? It being paired with strategic interest is not intrinsic. Historical norm is completely disparate from intrinsic value. People who keep this alive are doing so because of what you admit yourself, it being "strategy", not because of any "benefit" of it. I care about actual quality of life, I don't care about arbitrary moral lectures distilled from a championing class which doesn't actually care about what they preach.

You’re implying that I think American fopo is about spreading democracy and Dodge Chargers and apple pie? I obviously know it’s not, if you’ve actually been listening to what I’m saying

Whatever