Aug 23, 2022·1 replyPlanktonRussia is apart of an anti-American axis, and them winning the war gives that axis more power and resources to move against US and try to undo our hegemony.
what anti-American axis is Russia a part of and why did the US financially support Russia for years despite active involvement in Crimea, Ossetia, etc. prior, even giving them preferred trade partner status & free trade benefits and letting them bank overseas
Aug 23, 2022PlanktonRussia is apart of an anti-American axis, and them winning the war gives that axis more power and resources to move against US and try to undo our hegemony.
"our hegemony" the people calling the shots could not give a f*** about any of you
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
it'd be a great country if it's strategic interests weren't completely ed and the ruling class was not also completely ed and the last 100 years of history weren't basically just the US being absolutely mentally disabled across half the globe
Clearly not as we’re still running the table
- Aug 23, 2022Plankton
I think the nation that overcame all that is, yea.
slavery is still legal and black people are disporportionately imprisoned and employed as slaves.
Aug 23, 2022PlanktonI think the nation that overcame all that is, yea.
what rock were you living under in 2020
- Aug 23, 2022Plankton
Clearly not as we’re still running the table
and what benefit does the average citizen get from this?
Aug 23, 2022·1 replyPlanktonRussia is apart of an anti-American axis, and them winning the war gives that axis more power and resources to move against US and try to undo our hegemony.
How does this affect you tho? Why does one country need a hegemony? Wouldn't it make sense for other world powers with various military, economic, etc.. strengths to be a part?
The U.S is still a major player in any global power scenario
- Aug 23, 2022Sir Real
NATO being destabilized is an objectively good thing
Not from.my point of view, I'm fine thank you
- Aug 23, 2022·2 replieskrishna bound
what anti-American axis is Russia a part of and why did the US financially support Russia for years despite active involvement in Crimea, Ossetia, etc. prior, even giving them preferred trade partner status & free trade benefits and letting them bank overseas
Axis is - PRC, RU and DPRK. Maybe throw in Iran.
To the extent we supported them, it was no different than the extent to which we support any other country. We have decidedly not been supporting their geopolitical maneuverings against us. - Aug 23, 2022·5 replies
To be fair, American withdrawal from the world stage would crush living standards for most people. Who patrols the seas and keeps the shipping lanes open?
This is no defense of America, but we have a Liberal capitalist system upon which most of our living standards depend. I'm not defending that system now, but America not doing half of what it does would hurt its enemies too
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Axis is - PRC, RU and DPRK. Maybe throw in Iran.
To the extent we supported them, it was no different than the extent to which we support any other country. We have decidedly not been supporting their geopolitical maneuverings against us.you realize virtually every country you listed there is only retaliatory toward the US because of highly specific actions from the US from which they're reacting right? There's a reason Iran has diplomatic relationships with all of Europe including two-way passports but cut diplomacy with the US.
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Axis is - PRC, RU and DPRK. Maybe throw in Iran.
To the extent we supported them, it was no different than the extent to which we support any other country. We have decidedly not been supporting their geopolitical maneuverings against us.the US dismantled a popular and very democratic korean socialist government in 1945, then instated a military dictatorship that killed over 200,000 south koreans, then the US proceeded to kill 20% of the population of the north and destroy quite literally every building up north in a war they had no need to start simply so they could advance their agenda and hegemony
but yes, the DPRK is bad because they're anti US
- Aug 23, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
To be fair, American withdrawal from the world stage would crush living standards for most people. Who patrols the seas and keeps the shipping lanes open?
This is no defense of America, but we have a Liberal capitalist system upon which most of our living standards depend. I'm not defending that system now, but America not doing half of what it does would hurt its enemies too
with struggle comes change
- Aug 23, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
To be fair, American withdrawal from the world stage would crush living standards for most people. Who patrols the seas and keeps the shipping lanes open?
This is no defense of America, but we have a Liberal capitalist system upon which most of our living standards depend. I'm not defending that system now, but America not doing half of what it does would hurt its enemies too
I don't really see how this is true especially since it's not like the US withdrawing means stuff like the merchant corps or something disappears, they're still protecting their own bilateral trade routes. I'm pretty sure people in a lot of Africa would be fine with the US withdrawing direct involvement in regional politics:shrek:
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
To be fair, American withdrawal from the world stage would crush living standards for most people. Who patrols the seas and keeps the shipping lanes open?
This is no defense of America, but we have a Liberal capitalist system upon which most of our living standards depend. I'm not defending that system now, but America not doing half of what it does would hurt its enemies too
Most peoples living standards are already terrible. It’s only people in the first world who would see some decline in standard of living. The third world includes the vast majority of people and creates the most wealth. The decline of Amerika would be an objectively good thing for most of the worlds population. You’re just a chauvinist
- Aug 23, 2022americana
the US dismantled a popular and very democratic korean socialist government in 1945, then instated a military dictatorship that killed over 200,000 south koreans, then the US proceeded to kill 20% of the population of the north and destroy quite literally every building up north in a war they had no need to start simply so they could advance their agenda and hegemony
but yes, the DPRK is bad because they're anti US
The USA has no problem supporting military regimes and various tinpot dictatorships if it aids their interests. Thailand is run by a king and the military and they act like it is the bastion of freedom. Taiwan had military rule well into the 90s and the USA had no problem with this. South Korea had military rule into the 80s. The USA has no problem with Saudi-Arabia, another monarchy, or with a bunch of African states with laughable oligarchies such as Liberia or Eritrea
- Aug 23, 2022·2 repliesYANDHI
How does this affect you tho? Why does one country need a hegemony? Wouldn't it make sense for other world powers with various military, economic, etc.. strengths to be a part?
The U.S is still a major player in any global power scenario
Good question. The American economic hegemony lets American’s live far beyond their means economically. There’s a reason a $3 trillion dollar deficit, more than all but like 5 countries GDP, is NBD for the US. Without this hegemony you see massive declines in living standards for the US and risk losing safety net programs like SS and Medicare.
- Aug 23, 2022Sir Real
Most peoples living standards are already terrible. It’s only people in the first world who would see some decline in standard of living. The third world includes the vast majority of people and creates the most wealth. The decline of Amerika would be an objectively good thing for most of the worlds population. You’re just a chauvinist
This could well be true but ultimately I love my system and society way more than I love that of Russia so they can stay the f*** away from me
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
To be fair, American withdrawal from the world stage would crush living standards for most people. Who patrols the seas and keeps the shipping lanes open?
This is no defense of America, but we have a Liberal capitalist system upon which most of our living standards depend. I'm not defending that system now, but America not doing half of what it does would hurt its enemies too
The open seas will look like One Piece if the USA doesn't run the world
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Good question. The American economic hegemony lets American’s live far beyond their means economically. There’s a reason a $3 trillion dollar deficit, more than all but like 5 countries GDP, is NBD for the US. Without this hegemony you see massive declines in living standards for the US and risk losing safety net programs like SS and Medicare.
so you're saying its worth creating suffering in other countries because it allows americans to live in excess
- Aug 23, 2022
plankton IS a fascist wow
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyamericana
so you're saying its worth creating suffering in other countries because it allows americans to live in excess
Fighting fascism is good. This motive is self interested and perverse but that doesnt mean burning fascists is something to avoid
- Aug 23, 2022Plankton
Good question. The American economic hegemony lets American’s live far beyond their means economically. There’s a reason a $3 trillion dollar deficit, more than all but like 5 countries GDP, is NBD for the US. Without this hegemony you see massive declines in living standards for the US and risk losing safety net programs like SS and Medicare.
You realize that american economic hegemony has nothing to do with abroad military action at all, right, and that by not funneling money into arbitrary proxy conflicts and foreign aid, americans would enjoy economic prosperity to an even higher degree through investment in infrastructure, social safety, etc. (if our ruling class was not ed which they are)? the FIRE industry making s*** tons of money is not that intrinsically connected with war, it's far more connected to domestic labor & value
- Aug 23, 2022SEGA GOON
The open seas will look like One Piece if the USA doesn't run the world
- Aug 23, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Fighting fascism is good. This motive is self interested and perverse but that doesnt mean burning fascists is something to avoid
plankton is saying that its good for entirely other reasons
fascism is bad obviously but plankton is clearly advocating for a dependent world order and not sovereignty