Jul 20, 2022
Elric· editedNazi propaganda is so hateful it's pretty much unbearable to watch whereas Commie propaganda usually just fetishizes cows and farming and stuff to a hilarious degree (and could be quite beautiful)
it's a more benign type of evilThen again Stalin himself seemed just as cold as Hitler with the way he would casually order the deaths of ten of thousands then millions of his own people. Like at least Hitler legitimately loved at least one contingency of his own people. Nobody was safe from Stalin's wrath of when he started getting paranoid.
:They don't like farmers anymore
- Jul 20, 2022·1 reply
americanaThe state putting in policy that is anti racist eventually leads to a population that is also such.
This is evidently not what happened
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyPlankton
It’s a stated goal of socialists and communists to kill the rich
No it isn't lol what
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyElric
Yes but the whole holodmor mainly happened because Stalin was pushing such an unrealistic schedule for the 5-year plan that he was going two steps backwards for every step forward and ended up turning everybody against him and Russia. A lot of Eastern Europe hated Stalin so much that they actually gladly welcome to the Nazi invaders when they first pushed East
too bad the Nazis were too stupid to utilize the potential force they had there and just considered them subhuman slavs for the HolocaustThe purges a little understandable but the holodmor was so brutal. And things like sending half of his returning soldiers to the gulags after World War II cause he didn't trust them after they got exposed to Western culture. Ice cold.
The gulag system as a whole is definitely overblown. The Red Army numbered in ten million and 18,000,000 passed through the camps across 40 years. At any one time only 5-35% of the imprisoned were political and all were provided with healthcare and education, along with complete repatriation once free. Lower incarceration rate than the US, and a lower death rate if we remove the years of 1942,42, and 43 from consideration (for obvious reasons)
Holodomor is something not enough communists look enough critically which is a shame in itself. People be like “oh it wasn’t a genocide actually” and won’t look any more into the issues surrounding policy regarding kulaks and grain distribution. That was definitely a mistake but the USSR was the worlds first socialist project so to act like it’s characteristic of communism is in itself incorrect as well
- Jul 20, 2022americana
I mean even Albert Einstein had support for the great purges
Even the GOATs get things wrong sometimes
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyPlankton
It’s a stated goal of socialists and communists to kill the rich
No, it isn’t.
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyamericana
I don’t think a lack of empathy is something criticize Stalin for in regards to the great purges
The Soviet Union made massive strides in social development and quality of life in its infant years even through the the holodomor. I’d say it was pragmatically reasonable for people like Stalin to have protected the project from those who wanted a monarchy in place again
No he was protecting his own rules and self interest.
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
This is evidently not what happened
Thousands of African, Latino, and Muslim students came to the USSR to work and study
The reactionary attitudes of the 90’s undid decades of work
- Jul 20, 2022·2 repliesTragedyBerlusconi
No he was protecting his own rules and self interest.
Stalin was not a dictator. Even the CIA corroborated that the USSR was collectively ruled and Stalin was put in place by the party, stating that the label was a sign of western misunderstanding of communism
He tried resigning three times in the 1930’s and was still put in place by the party
Source cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
- Jul 20, 2022americana
Thousands of African, Latino, and Muslim students came to the USSR to work and study
The reactionary attitudes of the 90’s undid decades of work
I don't think that's a definitive metric for social progress on racism even if it was a better place than much of the US in this regard
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyamericana
Stalin was not a dictator. Even the CIA corroborated that the USSR was collectively ruled and Stalin was put in place by the party, stating that the label was a sign of western misunderstanding of communism
He tried resigning three times in the 1930’s and was still put in place by the party
Source https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
This does not preclude him acting in wild paranoia and killing and displacing millions out of self interest
- Jul 20, 2022americana
The gulag system as a whole is definitely overblown. The Red Army numbered in ten million and 18,000,000 passed through the camps across 40 years. At any one time only 5-35% of the imprisoned were political and all were provided with healthcare and education, along with complete repatriation once free. Lower incarceration rate than the US, and a lower death rate if we remove the years of 1942,42, and 43 from consideration (for obvious reasons)
Holodomor is something not enough communists look enough critically which is a shame in itself. People be like “oh it wasn’t a genocide actually” and won’t look any more into the issues surrounding policy regarding kulaks and grain distribution. That was definitely a mistake but the USSR was the worlds first socialist project so to act like it’s characteristic of communism is in itself incorrect as well
I've been doing a side project where I study films from 1929 lately and watched Eisenstein's The General Line last night
the way he portrays the poor struggling Russian peasants as scrawny bones and then the kulak overlords as flat plump lazy b******s I wonder how many people were actually convinced and onboard for collectivization or whether it was just enforced through Stalin's sheer terrifying will.I'm not one to just call all communism evil but yeah it's insane how disorganized these guys were. That documentary I was mentioning kind of gives you the bigger picture of mass confusion on the upper ranks of the Bolsheviks through the 30s, Nazis for most the 40s and the Americans and the British on D-Day and s*** nobody knew what they were doing really. The way Stalin and Hitler would play their inner circle against each other kept the power spread out but also did not make for a smooth bureaucracy.
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyamericana
No, it isn’t.
Y'all were openly advocating killing landlords in the other thread. Which is one part of your agenda I don't mind but still.
- Jul 20, 2022·2 repliesamericana
Stalin was not a dictator. Even the CIA corroborated that the USSR was collectively ruled and Stalin was put in place by the party, stating that the label was a sign of western misunderstanding of communism
He tried resigning three times in the 1930’s and was still put in place by the party
Source https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
This is news to me
seems like he did everything in his power to stay in power - Jul 20, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
No it isn't lol what
Tell that to the Romanovs
- Jul 20, 2022·2 repliesElric
This is news to me
seems like he did everything in his power to stay in powerDon't fall for his propaganda
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Don't fall for his propaganda
it’s a cia report
- Jul 20, 2022Plankton
Don't fall for his propaganda
I'm not
- Jul 20, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
This does not preclude him acting in wild paranoia and killing and displacing millions out of self interest
There’s far more context to this than “him killing 1 million people out of paranoia and self interest” that is well documented
There was increasing factionalism that would’ve collapsed the USSR and led to it being swept by the Nazis, and thus a genocide. The Purges were a sole alternative
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyElric
This is news to me
seems like he did everything in his power to stay in powersocialistmlmusings.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/stalins-four-attempts-at-resignation
There is a fundamental misunderstanding of communist government in the west. I’d recommend extensive reading
- Jul 20, 2022·2 repliesWomanpuncher69
it’s a cia report
The CIA is suddenly an authority on communism
- Jul 20, 2022Plankton
The CIA is suddenly an authority on communism
what are u even talking about man
- Jul 20, 2022Plankton
Y'all were openly advocating killing landlords in the other thread. Which is one part of your agenda I don't mind but still.
Most socialists don’t actually fantasize violence and it’s a regularly condemned thing in actual socialist practice
But when capitalist countries resort to violence to defend their interests (we saw this in police brutality during the initially peaceful 2020 protests), what option is left if we want to actually succeed materially
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyPlankton
The CIA is suddenly an authority on communism
The CIA, the most anticommunist organization on earth, agrees that the USSR is collective leadership and not a dictatorship, as a result of extensive espionage.
Why would you believe Wikipedia over them
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyamericana
https://socialistmlmusings.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/stalins-four-attempts-at-resignation/
There is a fundamental misunderstanding of communist government in the west. I’d recommend extensive reading
I know there's a misunderstanding in the west and that's why I've watched like a hundred Russian movies
was planning on visiting Moscow last year before the war broke out so you're saying all of the purges of officers in the military and rivals in the party we're just to keep himself alive and not necessarily in power?