Lol you called us all islamic fundamentalists

You're unhinged and if you were white would probably be on some qanon s***

imagine all these countries join NATO then trump wins in 2024 and pulls the US out of NATO

Would be the best thing he ever did

It's much more than the fact they're not white and you know it

You can dislike both without equating them

I don't like either man at all but I can deduce that bandera was worse in his beliefs and their implications

That doenst mean I want to celebrate the lesser of two evils

Yeah the fact that Ukraine wants to become part of the west also blinds you to the fact that it's the exact same issue with these militias because blue/yellow team good

Your characterization of Lenin as evil based on historically illiterate conception of history aside

Your whole stick itt has been celebrating and riding the d*** of a lesser evil which celebrates the greater evil so stop the cap

The main fighting force in this war is the organised military of a state with a chain of command that is intact and a popular and legitimate government

Thats who receives aid ultimately

If a gun was held to my head and I had to erect a statue of bandera or Lenin I'd reluctantly but still erect that of Lenin. It would bring me zero joy because I simply don't believe his actions had entirely good consequences, but I can recognise that in terms of desired ends, lenin> bandera

That does not mean I have to celebrate him however

And the main fighting force in those other conflicts also weren't the extremists

The fact of the matter is that right wing extremists are integral to how the ukrainian state operates, if they werent all that important, why did they never get rid of em?

You have no answer to any of these questions and you're just gonna close your eyes and pretend they don't exist so you can act like you're "on the right side of history"

They probably didn't get rid of them because they wanted all the manpower they could get

Azov was like what? 1k soldiers who are now mostly dead.

Sure azov weren't rhe only ones but if ukraine lost their battalions with these origins I'd wager they'd still operate their armed forces effectively

This isn't about erecting a Lenin statue it's about Ukrainian nationalists taking them down and you celebrating that they took down Lenin statues and replacing it with Bandera

Of course you're trying to act like the first step of taking down of Lenin statues is seperate and can be a***yzed as seperate from replacing Lenin with Bandera, and you refuse to recognize that their hatred towards Lenin comes from the same reactionary point of view that makes them venerate Bandera and not because Lenin wasn't a libertarian market socialist like you

The same s*** you did with the slava Ukraini heroiam slava slogan

You're a dupe to these Nazis like all liberals have been in this conflict

Azov isn't all dead lol, and what is the source that they're 1k anyway?

Azov also operates outside their own officially recognized military unit in the Ukrainian army

Erecting statues of bandera is reprehensible, but I dont see anyone able to understand why Ukraine wouldnt want Lenin statues

I understand why those opposed to liberation and equity and a better life for the mass of people would take that position, although i heavily disagree with it.

BUT

That being said on a surface-level they probably are just feeling hatred for any soviet imagery/stuff reminding them of Russia cause of the war, which makes basic sense even though on an a***ytical level s*** is 12 times deeper - I can't criticize how a victim of war reacts in the moment tbh... s*** is horrible

you put this better than i did, and i agree

yall still going abt the statues god damn

Its nazis, statues and propaganda

Don't even talk bout the real developments on the ground lol

Yall got some weird energy, on god!

I’m talking just in general

The vast majority of the first world left yes because those ideas fit nicely in line with their internalized liberalism. You are a really great example of this

Meanwhile the only active revolutionary struggles for communism are being carried out by millions Maoists in India and the Philippines. They embrace the legacies of the USSR and China. Meanwhile you haven’t done a day of organizing in your life but want to act like you know so much better than the people putting their lives on the line to fight capitalism