I'm more concerned with lives lost than an imaginary scoreboard and who "takes an L". I don't care about Ukranian or Russian nationalism prevailing. You are clearly invested in the former while the actual consequences of either take a backseat. That's fine. It's just TV to you. Keep clapping at the TV.

Ukrainian reactionaries were just carrying out their own version of this on the Donbas prior. That's inconvenient to admit. No we want the US to carry out their own version of this on Russia. It's honestly insane how quickly the media turns people into zealots.

Show me a single time in this thread you were concerned about the Ukrainian civilian lives lost. I’ll wait.

You can look back if you want. I talked about prioritizing civilian evacuation and how different this was from wars in areas without transporting infrastructure. Western countries have been receptive of refugees. Of course those concerned with "Ukraine winning" (expenses irrelevant) have romanticized guerilla warfare and all the parts of this war that will be the most disgusting if concessions are not reached. That's the exact opposite of protecting civilians and prioritizes "winning". To keep encouraging that with an influx of small arms is pretty heinous. I've even had to use a Pentagon source to prove how this war has not yet hit the civilian population with its full force which would be worst case scenario. So I can't really focus on that yet.

I've also voiced my fears of Zelensky being assassinated if he does solve this with diplomacy and pragmatic concessions. So I'm afraid it might come to that anyway.

I also want no more lives to be lost. I'm also invested in an outcome where democracy and self determination doesn't get shat on

It's easy to say anything when you misrepresent people

No, you were arguing for an escalation using NATO jets. You were giddy this war began. You are a Ukranian nationalist or liberal imperialist. Pick one. You're retweeting infographics about how civilians should go to war with tanks. I was cheering for civilian evacuation. We are not the same.

But sure hide behind broader political principles to disguise the reasons why your tangible politics are heinous. Idc

Ukrainians were doing this to native russians in the donbas region
Wonder if reddit still thinks its ok

This thread ^

ggs

Jesus

Still to this day

pro-war russians arent happy about the new peace terms, saying their soldiers died for nothing. its those bloodthirsty f***os who did all the Z s*** and wanted to leave Kyiv in ruins, those who justified shelling hospitals and murdering civilians

DONT START NO S*** WONT BE NO S***

people really use their energy for all of this

Is it true that the ruble is being backed by gold again?

Stopped reading at "expat in Poland"

What was the context lol?

Racist scum

you realise i was also cheering civilian evacuation, and calling out azov for preventing this from happening?

i also didnt call for escalation by nato, i called for ukraine being supplied with jets to use itself

youre a cretin who doesnt argue in good faith

yes. not a sign of prosperous economy it seems like

this s*** will never end

Really pathetic they won’t just concede Donbas and Crimea, the people living there don’t even want to be a part of Ukraine lol

But I suppose they need them to spin their palingenetic myths and provide an internal enemy to continue pushing Ukrainians farther to the right