so does Russia
so what are Russian far right nationalist just gonna chill there when they roll in? they already bombing civilians man
Yeah and no one’s arguing to f***ing arm them
Ukraine has every right to fight.
But this a Europe problem and that's about much I can say about it. America should not give weapons anymore to anymore countries outside of it.
Money is all good to let Ukraine fund itself however it wants to do so.
well what is the alternative?? they let their country get conquered?
I mean put yourself in the shoes of a Ukrainian
Recognize the Crimea, give Donbass autonomy, written agreement with the US on neutrality w regards to NATO
Not demand back the Crimea, ask NATO to go to war with Russia and apply for immediate EU admission
Yeah and no one’s arguing to f***ing arm them
yeah they already are armed and you are arguing to not arm Ukraine and let those fellas roll in even easier
Recognize the Crimea, give Donbass autonomy, written agreement with the US on neutrality w regards to NATO
Not demand back the Crimea, ask NATO to go to war with Russia and apply for immediate EU admission
Certainly Russia will leave them alone when they concede their territories and agree not to join the alliance that would protect them from further invasion
yeah they already are armed and you are arguing to not arm Ukraine and let those fellas roll in even easier
Rolling in easily means less deaths
I’m here making my case on the basis of less deaths, not some ideological democracy bullshit when the choice is between f***ing NATO and Russia
Sending in weapons means more deaths and more destabilization, meaning more opportunities for a Nazi organization to gain popularity and support.
Not sending in weapons means Russia rolls through, tries to occupy it, fails due to sanctions, and implodes. We clean up the mess
Certainly Russia will leave them alone when they concede their territories and agree not to join the alliance that would protect them from further invasion
certainly they wouldn't break such an agreement
oh wait they already have
Budapest Memorandum 1994.
How are you guys actually buying that Russia just wants Crimea and Donbass ☠️
Not me
Rolling in easily means less deaths
I’m here making my case on the basis of less deaths, not some ideological democracy bullshit when the choice is between f***ing NATO and Russia
Sending in weapons means more deaths and more destabilization, meaning more opportunities for a Nazi organization to gain popularity and support.
Not sending in weapons means Russia rolls through, tries to occupy it, fails due to sanctions, and implodes. We clean up the mess
Somehow the “Russia rolls in, tries to occupy it, fails, implodes, we clean up” (we meaning the West) option means LESS deaths and MORE stability to you?
Ukraine is not Afghanistan
they are literally surrounded by NATO and Russia, look at what kinda response the world is giving rn, do you think if something like that happened people wouldn't intervene?
Cause we’re great at intervening to fix countries
Somehow the “Russia rolls in, tries to occupy it, fails, implodes, we clean up” (we meaning the West) option means LESS deaths and MORE stability to you?
Yes, I’m from Afghanistan so I’ve seen the alternative
Rolling in easily means less deaths
I’m here making my case on the basis of less deaths, not some ideological democracy bullshit when the choice is between f***ing NATO and Russia
Sending in weapons means more deaths and more destabilization, meaning more opportunities for a Nazi organization to gain popularity and support.
Not sending in weapons means Russia rolls through, tries to occupy it, fails due to sanctions, and implodes. We clean up the mess
not sending weapons means Russia rolls through, demilitarizes the country, installs a puppet dictator and terrorizes the people of Ukraine just like he is his own
you are showing too much good faith in Vladimir Putin that he clearly shown by his actions does not deserve
not sending weapons means Russia rolls through, demilitarizes the country, installs a puppet dictator and terrorizes the people of Ukraine just like he is his own
you are showing too much good faith in Vladimir Putin that he clearly shown by his actions does not deserve
I’d put more faith into a dictator than the chaos and horrors of an unwinnable war
Once again I’m removed from ideological bullshit