Jan 7, 2023·1 reply
Oscar WinnerOkay I can respect that take on the production can be “problematic” (I’m not crazy about that word either honestly cus it gets used very cheaply and loosely by twitter)
It’s also overused on YouTube too. There’s all these junk 3 hour video essays now called s*** like “American Pie: The Most Problematic Franchise”.
chip skylark 🏄🏾‍♂️Jan 7, 2023
How you gonna romanticize Stockholm Syndrome just cause the main dude sexy as hell
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyFella
It’s also overused on YouTube too. There’s all these junk 3 hour video essays now called s*** like “American Pie: The Most Problematic Franchise”.
Topics like these makes me wonder how can you touch on “problematic” subjects without being looked at as problematic…
I mean you don’t wanna flat out say “hey this is bad” in your film because then it’ll come across as being too preachy.
It’s like people doesn’t want films to be too safe, yet they also don’t want them to be problematic but then they also don’t want them to be preachy if you touch on more controversial subject matters.
I guess really it comes down to knowing your preferred audience and knowing you can’t please everybody
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyOscar Winner
Topics like these makes me wonder how can you touch on “problematic” subjects without being looked at as problematic…
I mean you don’t wanna flat out say “hey this is bad” in your film because then it’ll come across as being too preachy.
It’s like people doesn’t want films to be too safe, yet they also don’t want them to be problematic but then they also don’t want them to be preachy if you touch on more controversial subject matters.
I guess really it comes down to knowing your preferred audience and knowing you can’t please everybody
Many of my favorite films don’t explicitly speak through their text from the artist as to how to feel. They just honestly lay out something and allow you to naturally come away with whatever. There’s plenty of great stuff now but most comes across as bland, safe, and hegemonic in execution. The films that break this mold often get reduced to a political object and there’s a tiresome discourse cycle around them.
- Jan 7, 2023·edited·1 replyFella
Many of my favorite films don’t explicitly speak through their text from the artist as to how to feel. They just honestly lay out something and allow you to naturally come away with whatever. There’s plenty of great stuff now but most comes across as bland, safe, and hegemonic in execution. The films that break this mold often get reduced to a political object and there’s a tiresome discourse cycle around them.
Word word. I do wanna restate that I wasn’t trying to make you out to be a pedo defender ok?
I think I’ve matured enough on here to have disagreements without taking those kinds of low digs.
Jan 7, 2023·1 replyOscar WinnerYes. Me and Elric is good. That’s why it’s a cheap dig for him to mention it twice rn.
This man is one my oldest and closest friends on the internet but talking to me about this subject has made him threaten to leave ktt countless times
- Jan 7, 2023·2 repliesOscar Winner
Word word. I do wanna restate that I wasn’t trying to make you out to be a pedo defender ok?
I think I’ve matured enough on here to have disagreements without taking those kinds of low digs.
It was the combination of you and Elric using examples involving pedophilia that bothered me. It felt deliberate. Sorry for getting aggressive in response.
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyElric
This man is one my oldest and closest friends on the internet but talking to me about this subject has made him threaten to leave ktt countless times
Correct lol
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyFella
It was the combination of you and Elric using examples involving pedophilia that bothered me. It felt deliberate. Sorry for getting aggressive in response.
Man I'm the one that got called a pedo last time
that's not what I was doing - Jan 7, 2023·1 replyFella
Correct lol
DePalma wanted Liv Ullman for DTK but she's was not into appearing in a film with that kind of content. Would you tell her shes an embarrassed child or whatever you called me earlier?
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyElric
DePalma wanted Liv Ullman for DTK but she's was not into appearing in a film with that kind of content. Would you tell her shes an embarrassed child or whatever you called me earlier?
Why are you continuing to argue with me
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyFella
It was the combination of you and Elric using examples involving pedophilia that bothered me. It felt deliberate. Sorry for getting aggressive in response.
You good. Definitely wasn’t deliberate, it was the only example that came to mind that I view as problematic that’s why I brought up Romeo and Juliet.
- Jan 7, 2023Elric
Man I'm the one that got called a pedo last time
that's not what I was doingExactly what I thought lmao “wouldn’t Elric be the last person to try and do that?” But I didn’t wanna speak for you
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyOscar Winner
You good. Definitely wasn’t deliberate, it was the only example that came to mind that I view as problematic that’s why I brought up Romeo and Juliet.
Also I think that conversation is more complicated than it seems. It depends on the time, culture and context. Nudity isn’t inherently sexual and certain places evaluate these things differently. Romeo and Juliet is questionable for sure (despite the age of consent in their home country being “appropriate” for that), but I think a real “problematic” example would be anything with Demi Moore—specifically the film Pretty Baby. The film I previously mentioned as an example in another reply does have underage nudity but it’s an early 70’s Czech art film and it’s brief and certainly not meant to be sexualized. Another example like this is Lady Snowblood.
Jan 7, 2023·3 replies
lil ufo
Ever heard of the original script for this?
- lil ufo 🛸Jan 7, 2023Theory
Ever heard of the original script for this?
why did you had to remind me
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyFella
Also I think that conversation is more complicated than it seems. It depends on the time, culture and context. Nudity isn’t inherently sexual and certain places evaluate these things differently. Romeo and Juliet is questionable for sure (despite the age of consent in their home country being “appropriate” for that), but I think a real “problematic” example would be anything with Demi Moore—specifically the film Pretty Baby. The film I previously mentioned as an example in another reply does have underage nudity but it’s an early 70’s Czech art film and it’s brief and certainly not meant to be sexualized. Another example like this is Lady Snowblood.
Damn I’m unaware of what happened to Demi Moore
never really checked out any of her films to be honest. - Jan 7, 2023Theory
Ever heard of the original script for this?
What happened?
- Jan 7, 2023·edited·1 replyOscar Winner
Damn I’m unaware of what happened to Demi Moore
never really checked out any of her films to be honest.It’s really f***ed up. Her mother essentially exploited her. She was even in Playboy as a child, it’s insane.
- Jan 7, 2023Fella
It’s really f***ed up. Her mother essentially exploited her. She was even in Playboy as a child, it’s insane.
Smh that’s crazy. Especially when the parents are involved (which usually seems to be the case smh) I gotta read into her story
Jan 7, 2023·2 replieslil ufobro I watched this with my mom..
Same. I didn't know much going in, but had long delayed watching this movie because of confusion over the runtimes. There is a domestic version (this is the one most will see) that is 110 min and then the international version which is 135 min. I intentionally downloaded the extended version
Let's just say....It was a good decision to cut some of that out lol.... wasn't nearly as awkward of a watch as i thought it'd be once we hit those parts tho.
Jan 7, 2023·2 repliesTheoryEver heard of the original script for this?
No , I kinda wanna know but
- lil ufo 🛸Jan 7, 2023·1 replyCRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
No , I kinda wanna know but
believe me, you don't wanna
- lil ufo 🛸Jan 7, 2023·1 replyYANDHI
Same. I didn't know much going in, but had long delayed watching this movie because of confusion over the runtimes. There is a domestic version (this is the one most will see) that is 110 min and then the international version which is 135 min. I intentionally downloaded the extended version
Let's just say....It was a good decision to cut some of that out lol.... wasn't nearly as awkward of a watch as i thought it'd be once we hit those parts tho.
I watched the extended one
- Jan 7, 2023·1 replyYANDHI
Same. I didn't know much going in, but had long delayed watching this movie because of confusion over the runtimes. There is a domestic version (this is the one most will see) that is 110 min and then the international version which is 135 min. I intentionally downloaded the extended version
Let's just say....It was a good decision to cut some of that out lol.... wasn't nearly as awkward of a watch as i thought it'd be once we hit those parts tho.
I watched the extended one thinking it was the OG. Was it the one where she tries to kiss Leon at the restaurant
The Marilyn Monroe bit had me in parts
and also how tf you know about any of that Lil girl 