What’s with all the Carti hate threads lately? You would think he hit a woman or something.
To be fair his popularity really only hit recently so that's why I associate it with new Gen music
Magnolia was 7 years ago my man
Is Carti new school? He’s been around for ten years
Kanye was not considered new school by 2010
Id say the decline was really starting 2018-19. 2014-17 had immense amounts of originality and new sounds were being invented on like a monthly basis
If you mean purely just the rapping piece of hip hop music, sure, but we were still seeing big evolutions in sound on top of just a lot more music being put out. Rappers were less afraid to take risks until the death of DatPiff/SoundCloud so we were seeing actual experimentation on the music front. Now it feels like experimentation on the release or "aura" of a musician itself instead of music
It makes the whole "I am music thing" so ironic because carti isn't wrong. This is unfortunately what mainstream "music" is now, even if barely has anything to do with the actual music
IMO the decline was 2016-2017 when those dumbass SoundCloud rappers started popping up out of nowhere
This site so f***ing dusty man.
We'll keep in mind the average age of this site is like 27-34 at this point.
Hard disagree on Carti but one thing about the rap game:
The feeling that the rap game has taken a nosedive in skill is centered around the prevalence of static rhythms in rap verses. This may sound small at first, but the one thing that separates rap from other genres is dynamic rhythms. Rhythms in sung verses of other genres usually don’t change line to line, so to have a genre that achieves a high level of catchiness while having unpredictable rhythms is a testament to rap’s inherently high literary and compositional skill.
That post-Drake/Nicki/Cole/Future/Sean/Kendrick class of aspiring rappers born in the late 90s took to making verses with purely static rhythms, and this has been their default way of rapping, stemming from melodic rap. If you rap with sung melody, you then take on the sung verse form, which is based on…static rhythms. This influenced the non-melodic rapping from the new generation as well, so now they do regular rapping in the style of melodic rapping which is post-Keef (the guy responsible for this specific influence on Gen Z)
When you take dynamic rhythms away from rap verses, you may not be affecting the artistic legitimacy of the genre, but the literary and compositional distinction of rap in comparison to sung genres is lost. Now rap is just another melodic sung genre with verses like the rest of em cause the words have to adhere to the static melodic form. This leads to less real s*** being said in verses as well. It’s no longer dynamic musical poetry and moreso glorified sports game chants
Never really got the hype for this guy in any era. Just a bunch of the most basic lyrics possibly imagined coupled with these horrendous rage beats. Guy wears women’s underwear and eyeliner then raps about beating women.
What’s with all the Carti hate threads lately? You would think he hit a woman or something.
I don't hate carti, it's a valid criticism.
I'm 29 and I enjoy his music, f*** bars I ain't stopping to a***yze rhymes and s*** I'm here to enjoy the sounds
Is Carti new school? He’s been around for ten years
Kanye was not considered new school by 2010
Carti has barely dropped in comparison so that’s probably why people still look at his career as young
Hard disagree on Carti but one thing about the rap game:
The feeling that the rap game has taken a nosedive in skill is centered around the prevalence of static rhythms in rap verses. This may sound small at first, but the one thing that separates rap from other genres is dynamic rhythms. Rhythms in sung verses of other genres usually don’t change line to line, so to have a genre that achieves a high level of catchiness while having unpredictable rhythms is a testament to rap’s inherently high literary and compositional skill.
That post-Drake/Nicki/Cole/Future/Sean/Kendrick class of aspiring rappers born in the late 90s took to making verses with purely static rhythms, and this has been their default way of rapping, stemming from melodic rap. If you rap with sung melody, you then take on the sung verse form, which is based on…static rhythms. This influenced the non-melodic rapping from the new generation as well, so now they do regular rapping in the style of melodic rapping which is post-Keef (the guy responsible for this specific influence on Gen Z)
When you take dynamic rhythms away from rap verses, you may not be affecting the artistic legitimacy of the genre, but the literary and compositional distinction of rap in comparison to sung genres is lost. Now rap is just another melodic sung genre with verses like the rest of em cause the words have to adhere to the static melodic form. This leads to less real s*** being said in verses as well. It’s no longer dynamic musical poetry and moreso glorified sports game chants
Great post
Hard disagree on Carti but one thing about the rap game:
The feeling that the rap game has taken a nosedive in skill is centered around the prevalence of static rhythms in rap verses. This may sound small at first, but the one thing that separates rap from other genres is dynamic rhythms. Rhythms in sung verses of other genres usually don’t change line to line, so to have a genre that achieves a high level of catchiness while having unpredictable rhythms is a testament to rap’s inherently high literary and compositional skill.
That post-Drake/Nicki/Cole/Future/Sean/Kendrick class of aspiring rappers born in the late 90s took to making verses with purely static rhythms, and this has been their default way of rapping, stemming from melodic rap. If you rap with sung melody, you then take on the sung verse form, which is based on…static rhythms. This influenced the non-melodic rapping from the new generation as well, so now they do regular rapping in the style of melodic rapping which is post-Keef (the guy responsible for this specific influence on Gen Z)
When you take dynamic rhythms away from rap verses, you may not be affecting the artistic legitimacy of the genre, but the literary and compositional distinction of rap in comparison to sung genres is lost. Now rap is just another melodic sung genre with verses like the rest of em cause the words have to adhere to the static melodic form. This leads to less real s*** being said in verses as well. It’s no longer dynamic musical poetry and moreso glorified sports game chants
Nah real s***. @browser @insertcoolnamehere @edumist yall would probably fw this a***ysis
Hard disagree on Carti but one thing about the rap game:
The feeling that the rap game has taken a nosedive in skill is centered around the prevalence of static rhythms in rap verses. This may sound small at first, but the one thing that separates rap from other genres is dynamic rhythms. Rhythms in sung verses of other genres usually don’t change line to line, so to have a genre that achieves a high level of catchiness while having unpredictable rhythms is a testament to rap’s inherently high literary and compositional skill.
That post-Drake/Nicki/Cole/Future/Sean/Kendrick class of aspiring rappers born in the late 90s took to making verses with purely static rhythms, and this has been their default way of rapping, stemming from melodic rap. If you rap with sung melody, you then take on the sung verse form, which is based on…static rhythms. This influenced the non-melodic rapping from the new generation as well, so now they do regular rapping in the style of melodic rapping which is post-Keef (the guy responsible for this specific influence on Gen Z)
When you take dynamic rhythms away from rap verses, you may not be affecting the artistic legitimacy of the genre, but the literary and compositional distinction of rap in comparison to sung genres is lost. Now rap is just another melodic sung genre with verses like the rest of em cause the words have to adhere to the static melodic form. This leads to less real s*** being said in verses as well. It’s no longer dynamic musical poetry and moreso glorified sports game chants
As a producer trying to fix the problem beat wise and incorporate different bounces or drum patterns maaaaan lol
IMO the decline was 2016-2017 when those dumbass SoundCloud rappers started popping up out of nowhere
See that's what makes the take dusty and takes away from the major issues
We had great talent and experimentation up until mid-late 2018 onward
If you dislike the lack of skill regarding traditional 'rapping' you've still got to admit a ton of unique and enjoyable music was still releasing at large, which was why hip hop had such a grip in the mainstream
When SoundCloud died we lost a place for amateurs to try new things with little risk. We just don't have that any more
What’s with all the Carti hate threads lately? You would think he hit a woman or something.
boy do i have some news for you
As a producer trying to fix the problem beat wise and incorporate different bounces or drum patterns maaaaan lol
Not Like Us and Euphoria are comprised of all the sauce as to how you game it. That happy medium, that synthesis of generational rap standards
anyway this hater s*** is corny, this now an appreciation thread

10 years in the game never forget how he used to kill s*** back in the day
Carti is changing the game vocally on a level of the rap greats. Let’s not discount that
Nah real s***. @browser @insertcoolnamehere @edumist yall would probably fw this a***ysis
crazy thing is these niggas aint even singing for real for real lmao.
Another @Brave gem.