Aruji

5y

The entire film is derailed by detours of cinematic violence with the hero figure, Rick Dalton, being glorfied for his efficient viciousness (albeit in a campy manner). Cliff, on the other hand, represents a more realistic presentation of that sort of hero but still a stylized version more akin to the New Hollywood films of the 70s. A sympathetic stoic underdog who is also racist, a murderer and so on (far more serious than Rick Dalton). The stereotypical male hero of that time. Then the film ends with "Once Upon A Time in Hollywood" being written all over the screen while the scene is still running and therefore implying that it's a film aka the same medium as the detours. It's imo both a fairy tale of how Sharon could've been saved but also an indictment of the broader structural and systemic issues of violence and to some degree even patriarchal dimensions (Sharon is basically a naive girlish maid/damsel) that were prevalent in Hollywood that time and actually to this day (see #metoo). I wouldn't really say that the message is actually opting for the way Sharon has been saved but rather a way of how we could've imagined it knowing that we've all been influenced by that kind of media (a major theme in the film. That's also why the Manson kids explicitly mention it before entering Rick's house).

Fella

5y

Makes sense why the guy who’s hyped for every safe sexless sterile Marvel film is appalled by any of this.

Elric

5y

Pretty sure the man did all the stabbing in real life. It's funny because all these films full of violence toward women and Quentin really set himself up for his magnum opus with the Sharon Tate murder... but he tastefully decided defy those expectations in favour of.... having an overpowered woman killer mutilate them? Idk it just seemed like such a f***ed choice but I'm no Sigmund Freud... I just share a birthday with him

Elric

5y

I see more ad hominem attacks when are you going to address the last five posts I sent to you that had actual substance instead of just attacking my character

This is actually a wild degree of refusing to communicate

Fella

5y

Makes sense why the guy who’s hyped for every safe sexless sterile Marvel film is appalled by any of this.

internet buddy

5y

Leave Feige outta this

Fella

5y

Eat the rich

Atlienz

5y

cause you upset him with that vicious "loser" insult

internet buddy

5y

Quentin’s pretty wealthy

As is PTA

internet buddy

5y

That’s the Matrix 4 stan

Elric

5y

Weird cause he was insulting me first and I didn't puss out of the conversation

Elric

5y

NOÉ (no-way)

Fella

5y

Never being told to listen to some 50’s crooner ever again

Atlienz

5y

you and fidel

internet buddy

5y

I think Robbie should’ve had more to do than just watch herself but you think she should’ve gone Uma?

Fella

5y

How do I unblock him? This bit gone too long.

Fella

5y

How do I unblock him? This bit gone too long.

Elric

5y

I think the movie didn't need to happen at all. Or at least the Tate/Manson aspect could've entirely gone.

internet buddy

5y

The Manson aspect could’ve been explored a bit more cause that ranch they were hiding out at could’ve played a part in the story

Fella

5y

Never being told to listen to some 50’s crooner ever again

Fella

5y

Read the novelization available now

internet buddy

5y

So Quentin agreed with me and decided to make a better movie in a book?

Aruji

5y

The entire film is derailed by detours of cinematic violence with the hero figure, Rick Dalton, being glorfied for his efficient viciousness (albeit in a campy manner). Cliff, on the other hand, represents a more realistic presentation of that sort of hero but still a stylized version more akin to the New Hollywood films of the 70s. A sympathetic stoic underdog who is also racist, a murderer and so on (far more serious than Rick Dalton). The stereotypical male hero of that time. Then the film ends with "Once Upon A Time in Hollywood" being written all over the screen while the scene is still running and therefore implying that it's a film aka the same medium as the detours. It's imo both a fairy tale of how Sharon could've been saved but also an indictment of the broader structural and systemic issues of violence and to some degree even patriarchal dimensions (Sharon is basically a naive girlish maid/damsel) that were prevalent in Hollywood that time and actually to this day (see #metoo). I wouldn't really say that the message is actually opting for the way Sharon has been saved but rather a way of how we could've imagined it knowing that we've all been influenced by that kind of media (a major theme in the film. That's also why the Manson kids explicitly mention it before entering Rick's house).