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  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    No the strict Islamic ones collect fees per transactions and then redistribute them to account holders

    Stricts islamic ones. What does that even mean??? Give me examples please. Are you tellin me that Bank Melli, Bank Sepah, Bank Melat, Bank Refah... all controlled by the Iranian government dont give people interest based on how much money they have in bank?

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    Stricts islamic ones. What does that even mean??? Give me examples please. Are you tellin me that Bank Melli, Bank Sepah, Bank Melat, Bank Refah... all controlled by the Iranian government dont give people interest based on how much money they have in bank?

    Yes usury or money lending is illegal in Islam. The banks you mentioned all do exactly what I just said they collect fees in exchange for their services and then redistribute the net total of their fees collected in a year to bank account holders

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    Yes usury or money lending is illegal in Islam. The banks you mentioned all do exactly what I just said they collect fees in exchange for their services and then redistribute the net total of their fees collected in a year to bank account holders

    You are wrong. I am Iranian. I have Iranian bank accounts. That aint it. They dont distribute the money they make from fees evenly! And they do lend money. Wtf are you on about.

    You get like 12% interest on whatever amount of money you have in your savings. Iranian bank interest rates are higher than most other countries. Thats cause iranian Rial aint worth s***.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    You are wrong. I am Iranian. I have Iranian bank accounts. That aint it. They dont distribute the money they make from fees evenly! And they do lend money. Wtf are you on about.

    You get like 12% interest on whatever amount of money you have in your savings. Iranian bank interest rates are higher than most other countries. Thats cause iranian Rial aint worth s***.

    Im not saying they redistribute the money evenly Im saying is that interest doesn't exist because the money is never being "loaned" to anyone. The money you get back is derived purely from the fees collected.

    papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3759107

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    Im not saying they redistribute the money evenly Im saying is that interest doesn't exist because the money is never being "loaned" to anyone. The money you get back is derived purely from the fees collected.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3759107

    Lol nice article from pakistan. Sorry to burst your bubble that aint the reality in Iran.

    There are no charity loans. Lol

    The money you get back aint derived from fees collected or even the investments the bank has made. It's derived from the money the central bank prints based on nothing. That's one of the reasons why there is a 25% inflation rate in Iran. The central bank has to keep printing money cause corrupt banks run by the government keep loaning millions without getting any of it back to ayatollahs sons in charge of "import" "export" n other industries. The banks dont even get paid back the money they loaned let alone the interest because those guys got immunity and can't be touched.

    Here is a question for you.
    Lets say you want to buy a house and you get a loan from an iranian bank. Do you think that the Iranian bank is not going to charge you interest because it is against Islam?

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    Lol nice article from pakistan. Sorry to burst your bubble that aint the reality in Iran.

    There are no charity loans. Lol

    The money you get back aint derived from fees collected or even the investments the bank has made. It's derived from the money the central bank prints based on nothing. That's one of the reasons why there is a 25% inflation rate in Iran. The central bank has to keep printing money cause corrupt banks run by the government keep loaning millions without getting any of it back to ayatollahs sons in charge of "import" "export" n other industries. The banks dont even get paid back the money they loaned let alone the interest because those guys got immunity and can't be touched.

    Here is a question for you.
    Lets say you want to buy a house and you get a loan from an iranian bank. Do you think that the Iranian bank is not going to charge you interest because it is against Islam?

    The central bank has to keep printing money because western sanctions are crippling the economy and they know that austerity would lead to mass poverty.

    Mortgages in Iran are different from the west where there is no money lending taking place. Instead the bank agrees to buy the property on your behalf taking sole ownership of the asset where you in return agree to a fixed payment plan where you will essentially pay the bank monthly for "rent" until you have paid back the entirety of the agreed upon amount.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    The central bank has to keep printing money because western sanctions are crippling the economy and they know that austerity would lead to mass poverty.

    Mortgages in Iran are different from the west where there is no money lending taking place. Instead the bank agrees to buy the property on your behalf taking sole ownership of the asset where you in return agree to a fixed payment plan where you will essentially pay the bank monthly for "rent" until you have paid back the entirety of the agreed upon amount.

    There are so many instances of corruptions exposed and then sweeped under the carpet in Iran. Many of them now live luxerious lives in the states and canada... sometimes s*** gets so bad that they get exposed.

    And you are just flat out wrong dude. If you want to buy a house the Iranian bank will loan you money and charge you interest. They do charge interest upwards of 30%. I know cause i f***ing paid it lol.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    There are so many instances of corruptions exposed and then sweeped under the carpet in Iran. Many of them now live luxerious lives in the states and canada... sometimes s*** gets so bad that they get exposed.

    And you are just flat out wrong dude. If you want to buy a house the Iranian bank will loan you money and charge you interest. They do charge interest upwards of 30%. I know cause i f***ing paid it lol.

    This is wrong the mortgage mechanism works exactly as I described above.

    I doubt any high ranking Iranian politician lives in America their assets would be seized immediately as Iran is a designated state sponsor of terror according to the Americans

  • Shut up sharmouta

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    This is wrong the mortgage mechanism works exactly as I described above.

    I doubt any high ranking Iranian politician lives in America their assets would be seized immediately as Iran is a designated state sponsor of terror according to the Americans

    They dont have to be politicians themselves. They are mainly politician family members!!!!!

    Look Up Mahmoud Reza Khavari

    Are you telling me that the bank wont ask for more money than they loaned you to buy the house initially?

    You said agreed up amount. Agreed up amount includes the interest! And the bank owns the property untill you pay back the agreed up amount!

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    They dont have to be politicians themselves. They are mainly politician family members!!!!!

    Look Up Mahmoud Reza Khavari

    Are you telling me that the bank wont ask for more money than they loaned you to buy the house initially?

    You said agreed up amount. Agreed up amount includes the interest! And the bank owns the property untill you pay back the agreed up amount!

    Yes the net total of your "rent" payments while the property is owned by the islamic bank will be greater then the price the bank bought the property for.

    However this is not really the same as American mortgages where its a purely monetary loan because the bank is taking ownership hence taking responsibility for the property meaning they have to be much more careful and jurisprudent which is in theory supposed to prevent asset price bubbles from forming like they did in 08 in America.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Mahmoud Reza Khavari is literally wanted by Iranian government because he stole money I'm not sure what your point here is

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    Yes the net total of your "rent" payments while the property is owned by the islamic bank will be greater then the price the bank bought the property for.

    However this is not really the same as American mortgages where its a purely monetary loan because the bank is taking ownership hence taking responsibility for the property meaning they have to be much more careful and jurisprudent which is in theory supposed to prevent asset price bubbles from forming like they did in 08 in America.

    You can get raped in more than one way

    At it's core it is the same. The banks will rape you.

  • Frankito Reynolds

    You can get raped in more than one way

    At it's core it is the same. The banks will rape you.

    Not really because once the contract is finalized the payment plan never changes. Unlike in America where the central banks can hike interest rates to whatever they want and blow people struggling to repay their mortgages out of the water

  • aktvinye meropriya

    Mahmoud Reza Khavari is literally wanted by Iranian government because he stole money I'm not sure what your point here is

    Yes. Every person who gets exposed is "wanted" by the government!! DuHhh
    But they are all on the same team thats why he was able to get the f*** out..... The other guys that f*** up so bad and get exposed some get to flee and some get light prison sentences.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    I'm not arguing that Iran is perfect or their banking system is but it is compliant with Islamic law which defies western banking protocols.

    I'm just trying to prove how ridiculous it is to think that Iran one of the only truly sovereign countries left in the world is a western puppet state

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    I'm not arguing that Iran is perfect or their banking system is but it is compliant with Islamic law which defies western banking protocols.

    I'm just trying to prove how ridiculous it is to think that Iran one of the only truly sovereign countries left in the world is a western puppet state

    You got me at truly sovereign country

    wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02604_e.html

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    You got me at truly sovereign country

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1979PARIS02604_e.html

    Is this Iran-contra stuff or about the embassy hostages? Got to go to sleep now but ill check it out tomorrow morning

  • Ok I read it it was short... I mean yes the American perspective after the Shah was deposed was to ensure communists don't get into power so like they have done many times in history they helped a hardcore Islamist instead.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    aktvinye meropriya

    Is this Iran-contra stuff or about the embassy hostages? Got to go to sleep now but ill check it out tomorrow morning

    No it's Khomeini asking carter to help pave the way for him to land in Iran and in return KHOMEINI SAID THAT THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL BE NON-COMMUNIST AND HE CAN ASSURE U.S. THAT IT WILL BE COMPOSED OF MEMBERS THE U.S. WILL APPROVE OF.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Frankito Reynolds

    No it's Khomeini asking carter to help pave the way for him to land in Iran and in return KHOMEINI SAID THAT THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL BE NON-COMMUNIST AND HE CAN ASSURE U.S. THAT IT WILL BE COMPOSED OF MEMBERS THE U.S. WILL APPROVE OF.

    So by your logic the Taliban are also american puppets because the Americans armed them to fight the soviets in the 80s?

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    aktvinye meropriya

    So by your logic the Taliban are also american puppets because the Americans armed them to fight the soviets in the 80s?

    Yup

    They are.

    US just wants chaos in the region cause middle east is full of resources and these countries if they prosper they will f*** up the status quo.

    I believe the ayatollahs in Iran also support Taliban despite belonging to a different sect.

    Reason is simple. The clerics dont care about land or country all they care about is power.
    Right now they are losing support in Iran, majority of people ain't happy.. what better way to "unite" them (in reality distract them) than a war??

    Think about it.
    Lets face it. Taliban believe Shias are delusional scums. They will eventually go against Iran. Now imagine how iranians would react.. oh s***tttttt taliban is even more nuts than the current islamic regimme so lets fight the bigger evil.
    And who benefits off chaos and war? The f***ing western lobbyists, big bank corporations and arm dealers...

    S*** has happened before. The Iran Iraq war was a f***ing set up too.

  • Oct 11, 2021
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    Why the hell is this weirdo going on another Iran rant itt 💀

  • Fargo

    Why the hell is this weirdo going on another Iran rant itt 💀

    We were having a conversation about islamic banking system. If your smart ass could go back a page you could have saved yourself a redundant post.

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