Having no flaws. Biggie had no flaws. He was elite at everything. I already explained what the perfect rapper was.

"Was flawless at everything. Cadence, flow, delivery, subject matter, quotables, rhyme schemes, consistency, songwriting, rhyme schemes, and everything else. Nobody could do what this man did and it's wild cause he died before his prime"

Now tell me what Biggie couldn't do.

I do agree BIG is the closest to the definition of #1 rapper even though I consider Nas the GOAT.

Big really had it all to be the MVP of rap. The most lyrical most popular rapper prolly. He really can flip to any side and was never corny

Come on man no it’s not

Maybe back in the late 60s and early 70s when Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd came on the scene. Niggas had just discovered LSD

Psychedelic music not really that marketable.

Don't underestimate Deadheads. They still throw money at Phish MULTIPLE times a year

Cudi was able to make it marketable though because of his talent. His music definitely reflected underlying conditions in society. Cudi's music had a peculiar sound that resonated with white america fam. I dont even wanna continue with this nigga because he's trash to me but he clearly made accessible mainstream music.

The man wrote lil kim's album and ghostwrote for a group. Nigga could rap from the perspective of a women and make a classic album. He had it all. He's easily the most bitten rapper ever. He single-handedly shifted how street rap could break into the mainstream and deliver quality music that could resonate with everyone. RTD easily the most important rap debut of all-time

Barbershop music isn't just popular music. hate to say it
but TPAB is a barbershop album. you gotta know to know.

Igor isn't a barbershop album because of impact on the black community( kinda the whole deal with OFWGKTA, even though they had a wild ass impact to the youth)

It's kind of like what is the community listening to.
Marvin Gaye albums might not all be slappers but I'll be damned if it ain't barbershop music.

Mysterious music is mysterious because it's mysterious to the community. therefore it ain't talked about the barbershops.

Aight you stretch Armstrong with the reach on that last one

I have never heard a song from TPAB at a barbershop

TLDR. in 2015 in Houston travis scott released DBR

I heard in an actual barbershop confusion to what in the f*** is this mysterious music. Even tho DBR was popular it was still mysterious because of impact to the community.

you ain't comprehend my post then.

what debut more important?

I agree that BIG wins if we talk about who was good
at the most aspects of rap/music but he wasn't "perfect" at everything. We could say he was the more complete rapper but that doesn't make him the perfect rapper like you make it sound like he was super-political on the songs you've mentioned. He certainly wasn't perfect in that aspect. And you just come across as extremely ignorant denying that If I Ruled the World was a hit or with any of your statements regarding popularity, numbers, hits etc.. Like you're saying street rap has less mainstream appeal when Pac and 50 existed

No I comprehend I just think you are overthinking the term barbershop music. DBR has songs that you would hear at a barbershop on it, TPAB does not

you acting like alright and i won't get played at a barbershop.

I forgot about Alright i guess that one but Damn is much more barbershop

To hip-hop?

Paid in Full
Illmatic
3 Feet High & Rising
36 Chambers
Arguably even Radio tbh

In terms of debuts changing entire sounds I gotta go with that.

What is "super-political". Like if you like Nasir's approach more that's fine but that's not what I'm discussing. Biggie made elite songs with great messages and that's all I'm referring to. I don't care who's better at it because you can be elite or goat and still have someone better. If you think Biggie wasn't perfect in that aspect, explain. I asked you to explain your position multiple times and you've either refused or can't do it. So do it now or don't bring it up again.

It's not a hit. It's a great song though. Very memorable but that s*** is not a hit lmao.

First off, tupac is a conscious rapper first, street rapper second. Second, you using two rappers that were able to break out of norms. How many street rappers have had mainstream success out of the 100s that exist? It's tough. It's not as marketable. And those that do it made the best music at some point. This was my initial point in fact about success in music.

this is true. but TPAB listenablity on the black community as a whole especially in the age group of the 16-40's is something to be noticed for sure.

Everybody heard of talked about or had an opinion on that album.

GKMC is definitely more barbershop than TPAB but TPAB makes it's case through impact alone.

Kinf of like Lupe's first 2 albums can be considered barbershop music and everything else

Can this just be a thread about how MF Doom is actually garbage cause this barbershop/mysterious s*** is lamel

MF DOOM in his prime like back in 05 wasn't mysterious music which is crazy. He definitely is now tho.

Real question is Boosie Mysterious music?

it's more than just about sales ya'll

Niggas really like rap being formulaic af like we back in the 50-60’s when labels controlled everything about artist,right down to their look.

He definitely wasn’t barbershop in any era of his career tho,I do think there’s an argument to be made about him being a terrible rapper tho

Nah fam. RTD did more. RTD is the reason NYC went back to being the face of rap after west coast dominance. Like I said before, Biggie showed rappers how to make a street rap album mainstream. A legitimate gritty or grimey street rap album. Biggie showed rappers how to make a street single commercial. The cover of RTD. RTD showed future rappers how to make records for women. It reinvented street rap for New York. That's why people started following his formula after that. Biggie also helped bridge hip-hop with R&B. Nobody was rapping like biggie was on r&b records until that one more chance remix. He's the reason niggas started doing that sht in the late 90s and 00s.

I could go on and on. Each of those albums you named are important.

Paid in full made every1 step up their lyrical game
Illmatic might be the most influential rap album ever in the sense of lyricism
36 chambers brought an energy we hadn't seen
radio was one of the first mainstream albums

But Biggie took a portion of each of these and made a complete album showing you how to fulfill every criteria or satisfy every type of fan in rap.