Stanley Kiest

1y

Right. Also negligible.

Elric

1y

Pretty sure alot the PNW, northern Cali and Eastern seaboard would go dark if we cut them off

Either way we're both each other's biggest trading partner and it seems mutually beneficial to just not get in a trade war

Stanley Kiest

1y

Crying at how mad you are

snowboyrari

1y

who's mad

bro go to elementary school, eat your veggies, drop the annoying MAGA gimmick posting

Stanley Kiest

1y

Huh? Canada is not the US’s biggest trade partner lmao. We really do not need Canada’s trade at all and can easily force them into a deal.

Stanley Kiest

1y

Are you stupid? Where did I post anything remotely MAGA in here?

Stanley Kiest

1y

Huh? Canada is not the US’s biggest trade partner lmao. We really do not need Canada’s trade at all and can easily force them into a deal.

krishna bound

1y

I’m sure people will continue to vote Dem the same way people continued to vote GOP post-Obama but the party has really nothing left in terms of policy or presentation. The same way under Obama all the GOP offered was cancellation of Obama-era policies (before the tea party rewrote US politics anyway), Dems somehow have even less to offer - with even less figureheads - than 2016 or 2020. I genuinely don’t understand why anyone would vote for Dems other than some argument about harm reduction or hating republicans. They aren’t offering any material economic policies, they aren’t even focusing on healthcare/family support/etc anymore, and they sure as hell don’t have a distinct foreign policy approach. I guess people can vote for them if they just want diversity policies reinstated and Trump’s gender EO repealed? Great.

Rockstard

1y

Loud wrong?

https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2023/0711

kurapika

1y

They actually do have policy and have done a lot of concrete things problem is A people dont care and B people repeat your framing of "They dont do anything they only care about woke stuff" Which is not really true and mostly a propaganda line
They lost because the two big issues are inflation and immigration which they dont have a good answer for because people just dont want people coming across the border

Not trying to play defense for them but i dont think your a***ysis is corrrect cause theres many instances of people during the campaign acknowledging that biden did X and Y for them but they brought up a cultural reason as to why they didn't vote for them

pussy bacon

1y

Chart 1
Mexico becomes top U.S. tradng partner at start of 2023

snowboyrari

1y

they don't have a "good answer" to the immigration issue because its a fake "issue". Harris' answer was instead to act like Trump was all show and no stay on the issue of "illegals", pose in front of the border wall for her commercials, and say "do not come". the policy was entirely the same.

Rockstard

1y

In 2023, Canada is the largest trading partner of the United States, followed by Mexico

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States

pussy bacon

1y

And in 2024 it was Mexico pal

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/topyr.html

krishna bound

1y

People said this in 2016 already but this time it may legitimately be over for democrats politically

snowboyrari

1y

they don't have a "good answer" to the immigration issue because its a fake "issue". Harris' answer was instead to act like Trump was all show and no stay on the issue of "illegals", pose in front of the border wall for her commercials, and say "do not come". the policy was entirely the same.

pussy bacon

1y

Chart 1
Mexico becomes top U.S. tradng partner at start of 2023

Rockstard

1y

But he also said

We really do not need Canada’s trade at all

krishna bound

1y

this really isn't true in the eyes of the average voter and you're inserting your personal bias into it. most voters are not thinking alongside the lines of leftist philosophy or a moral framework as it relates to philosophical or theoretical ends as justified by theory and specific backgrounds of material a***ysis. Whether or not it is a "real issue" is inconsequential in the eyes of the people voting, and this is only about policy as consumed by voters, not about a dissection of said policy itself. Harris certainly was not advocating for mass deportations, death penalties on illegal immigrants who commit crime, ending birthright citizenship, declaring war on the cartels, etc etc - the policy is in no way comparable and that is not a defense of Harris.Just because Harris also said "I am against illegal immigration" and did a photoshoot doesn't mean she had a material policy on illegal immigration that presented itself as a "real" political alternative.

snowboyrari

1y

Mass deportation was in fact a hallmark of Harris' policy since it was meant to be a continuation of the previous administration. Biden deported 271000 people in his final year in office, ecclipsing Trump in any one single year of his first term.

regardless of who was elected, the policy of mass deportation would've only become worse.

krishna bound

1y

I've posted on here before about how initial trump term of 2016-2020 deported far less than Obama and it's a common myth that he deported more people than average; Trump actually had a relatively immigration-friendly administration in terms of overall post-90s US politics. In terms of "deportations" though, this isn't true, Biden's core policy was expulsions from the border and returns without removal orders; not the same thing as a deportation. You can verify this quickly - 82% of Biden's "deportations" were catching people at the border and then deporting them - this is in part because of a policy change under Biden about how border security works (now repealed immediatedly by trump). If you're saying that both people had/have the same views on border patrol specifically, then I mean okay yeah, but that's a microcosm of the actual subject I'm talking about.

Valentine

1y

I heard the return numbers were higher than even deportations during Obama

krishna bound

1y

Data under the Biden administration is hard to measure accurately because their approach was to re-classify certain actions. For example, any form of at border apprehension was classified as an "expulsion". In prior history, at border apprehensions were not classified at all as a deportation. This was done in part due to the 2020 Title 42 expulsion laws. Explusions were counted as deportations by CBP (hence the reporting by the NYT that Biden has "deported more than Trump").

You can see however expulsions - essentially people turned away at the border - count as virtually all of Biden's deportations when comparing 2020- 22 vs 2016-2020. It is ture though that Biden's "Returns" were higher than trump, but that's because returns were used instead of actual deportations. You can see 2016 - 2020 is much higehr for actual deportations (red line) than Biden. It does however massively pale in comparison to Obama, which is just a point of where the immigration conversation has moved to, as the actual crossroads right now is carrying on the trend of lessened deportations over time vs returning to Bush & first term Obama era deportation numbers.