Apparently Netflix and Prince’s estate are at a stalemate about releasing a 9-hour long documentary that was made about him

Hope LoveSexy spe comes with cdq The Line and The Black Album

this song makes me feel so happy man...

hot take but I dont like the ballad of Dorothy Parker

got some thoughts after listening to Prince's secondary catalogue*

I feel like a lot of Prince's music would get more unfair treatment had it come out in more recent times i.e. 2010s-20s. *when im talking about 'secondary catalogue' I refer to albums that seep through his canon, stuff like Chaos and Disorder, Come, Emancipation, to an extent Graffiti Bridge and a lot of NPG stuff. they have their fans but dont enjoy the same revere as 1999, Dirty Mind, Purple Rain, Sign O The Times, etc.

one criticism of, paradoxically, music criticism in the internet age is that a lot of times it is expected for an artist to go to such extremes when experimenting with their sound that the end result must sound totally out there. if you werent creating mbdtfs and then came out with yeezus it doesnt really matter how subtly new your music feels. if you dont bring out the guitars it will be hard to convince people that this new guitar sample is a new word in your approach. Prince's stuff definitely goes in all types of directions and one thing that I really grew to appreciate listening to more of his non-essential albums is how much he wanted to try out new s*** and still make it make sense in his own canon. this is why listening to Chaos and Disorder you get a feel for the totally new rock guitar sound (a lot more 90s than 80s lets say), why you get fully realized visions of New Jack Swing and rap** on Gold Experience and Love Symbol, why throughout all these albums the lyrical content takes a massive back seat and musical experience of a group, or rather the listener, remains more and more pronounced

in a situation where you as a critic need to churn out consistently new angles for music that might not go obviously and entirely left field the end result might be that whatever new subtleties are attempted they might be quickly and easily written off as not too exciting and therefore undeserving of the same treatment as older, presumably better stuff

and this kinda rings back to my very early memories of Prince when I first got into his music back in 2013. idk if anybody else who isnt a die-hard fan remembers it but Prince was by and large written off by that time, just like many times before. when I was playing 1999 I saw the news of his new three albums coming out and knew theres no way im listening to these on top of his already massive catalogue. part of that was how they were talked about as yet another offering from prince, implying that maybe its not really worthy of our time. not sure if I can connect this anecdote to what I described above but maybe sometimes the system of criticism cant withstand consistency and subtlety over a long period of time? as a result, any claims from the diehards that this is the new s*** are discarded as fanboyism, and music isnt treated with attention necessary to really get into it

two other figures in modern music that in my eyes fall in the same critic trap are MIKE and billy woods. with both by now having large discographies its not always easy to put your finger on what project exactly you should get into for the 'definitive' experience. MIKE's may god bless your hustle might be that but it's literally one of his oldest albums and his sound has changed drastically from there to now. but can we for sure tell how exactly? the production for both artists is different, but how do we explain that its that different?

no conclusion to this yapping but maybe its something to keep in mind when we work our way through and create music criticism, a staple of the industry which is unquestionably here to stay and deserving of our fair and critical treatment

** I feel like it makes sense to differentiate from hip hop as a genre that was very much formed and distinct by the time Prince came to use it and the strict form of 'rap' delivery that he used on a lot of his albums for the era. this delivery is probably the only thing his music had in common with sample-based and generally more relaxed instrumentation of 90s hip hop. to put it bluntly bro was still working with drum machines while everybody was into chopping samples, but its a minor note that probably wouldn't withstand more scrutiny

Hitnrun phase 2 is so good idk y ppl dont like it, honestly sounds like the perfect final prince album. Alot of the lyrics and sounds have this finality to them

The sexy dancer sample on stare>>>>

Wonder what album gonna get SDE treatment
@AudioConsulting What's your pick? which one would you like to see get SDE?

crazy

i think with the advent of streaming, we have to do away with the "essentials" or "canon" of popular music

its all bullshit

theres a reason why 99 and purple rain are revereed but a fraction of that is the label support he had compared to the lack thereof later in his career when he went indepedent...

variety.com/2024/film/news/prince-documentary-delayed-factual-inaccuracies-1236076517

yea so me and my dad were actually talking about this last night because he's a huge Prince fan. I was wondering why we hadn't got a documentary on his life yet.. found the article stating that there was a stalemate. the director made OJ:Made in America (!!!)

Originally Netflix just ordered a six hour series but the director ended up going above and beyond with a nine hour doc (which to me personally sounds more like it). but now the estate apparently didn't feel like the documentary was entirely accurate and was too sensationalized. they did note that the inaccuracies of the doc didn't have anything to do with d**** or s***stuff so

still... this feels odd to me. not there needs to be a rush to make a doc but it's been eight years since his death, kinda crazy we haven't got anything yet. this Netflix doc wasn't even officially announced.

“I sat down with Prince, eye to eye
He told me his wishes before he died
Now, Londell McMillan, he must be color blind
They only see green from them purple eyes
They eyes hide, they eyes high
My eyes wide shut to all the lies
These industry niggas, they always been fishy
But ain't no Biggie, no lazy eye, huh
This guy had 'Slave' on his face
You think he wanted the masters with his masters?
You greedy b******s sold tickets to walk through his house
I'm surprised you ain't auction off the casket”

That was written in 2017. Guess who’s in charge of the estate now?

I’m an advocate for going back to lp 1. This whole sde has to go in order - you can’t jump around with an artist like this. 😎

all i want is that camille vinyl wtf third man

seconded. don’t skip “minor” albums either… i want the dig u better dead demos and musicology outtakes and unheard 2010’s era s***

Thats true but the SDE start with 1999 right then SOTT and D&P. thought musicology was next the way they were releasing b sides but i would love to hear demo stuff from lp1. its gonna be more interesting since its where it all started. hope will get something next year.

You could have Sheila E curating her vault material with prince. She doesn’t even remember what they recorded - hundreds & hundreds of songs, this is an easy get for the prince estate.

You film that and her reactions to hearing music she hasn’t heard since she played it live?!?! , that’s social media content you can’t pay enough for. Plus her stories when you do first playback are going to be immaculate.

Sheila is going to tell you stories about bleeding feet & hands because she was raised as a gladiator.

And for people who think I’m capping. Sheila was raised as a killer, her job was to KILL competition. She said in an interview most people have no idea what percussionists go through. She would punch a wall until her hands were swollen and close to broken paws & then tape them. This was the only way percussionists could endure the long hours to subject yourself to brutality on your hands in the clubs & their relentless schedule , endless sets to toughen your hands

The escovedos are no joke, because she was a girl she needed to be 10x tougher in this environment.

Just imagine Sheila punching like Wolverine but no hyper healing abilities. By the time she got with prince , she was ready for the gates of madhouse - pun intended 😳

guess we're never getting that netflix doc

the f***ing GOAT

if its not over the d**** or s***and they're not lying, im afraid it will probably never get put out bc i feel like they care deeply about his image

I think they will have to go back to the beginning when this documentary gets the green light. I was hearing serious rumors of the protege material was a priority for 2024. But they learned their lesson with the constant rebooting of Purple rain. You are going to have to work hard on every SDE release to be worth it, you can’t coast on a blockbuster mega hit album. 😎

baby what are we gonna do

Oh yeah if there is going to be a documentary then it’s better to go from his first album cause basically that’s important but the estate seem they are very much not interested with documentary. Ofc purple rain is his biggest album so they gotta be carful with that one. I liked the deluxe edition of it but was wondering it never had SDE by now since it was 40th anniversary this year.

That prince doc never dropping. At least not in its original form. There’s too much the estate would be unhappy about/stuff prince himself probably wouldn’t want to be publicly outed.

That YouTube fan made series doc probably is the best/closest to reality his story will ever be told.

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