it's not an endorsement of him - just an observation. he's the only democrat in a long time whom the average moderate boomer-type voter actually likes w/o strings attached. it's been a long time since i've seen some democrat which both boomers like as well as young people online, hollow policy or not. he's "likeable" and that's all that matters for politics in this country.
"big guy who makes fun of republicans for being ed + supports welfare & says some stuff about unions and liking the countryside" may be a low bar but that's what voters want from democrats
cc: @SonicNirvana
That low bar is what we've been needing for a long time though, I agree.
I saw similar things for McConaughey on the republican side but he ended up dropping out for now.
They really getting out in front of this before he loses
I dunno, I don’t think it’s just cope to be honest. Not every GOP partisan is completely ed, they do some level of internal criticism when they know their candidates are weak on either an individual level or a policy level. Oz is running as a weird opportunist and besides continually embarrassing himself, has barely inched the GOP platform forward. People like tucker & crew want people like Masters or Vance (who are opportunists don’t get me wrong) but a very specific type who more accurately reflect post-Trump rhetoric instead of standard historical talking points
I dunno, I don’t think it’s just cope to be honest. Not every GOP partisan is completely ed, they do some level of internal criticism when they know their candidates are weak on either an individual level or a policy level. Oz is running as a weird opportunist and besides continually embarrassing himself, has barely inched the GOP platform forward. People like tucker & crew want people like Masters or Vance (who are opportunists don’t get me wrong) but a very specific type who more accurately reflect post-Trump rhetoric instead of standard historical talking points
I mean this is the guy Trump chose
I mean this is the guy Trump chose
Yeah but I mean in a wider context there’s only some degree of them acting as syncophant. Trump only endorsed at the last minute and was obviously because he just didn’t want a democrat. The wider is always going to support itself over opposition (and vice-versa) but that doesn’t mean pundits like Carlson (or whoever else, idk, the daily mail lmao) isn’t going to have differing opinion on ideal candidates vs current picks otherwise
Yeah but I mean in a wider context there’s only some degree of them acting as syncophant. Trump only endorsed at the last minute and was obviously because he just didn’t want a democrat. The wider is always going to support itself over opposition (and vice-versa) but that doesn’t mean pundits like Carlson (or whoever else, idk, the daily mail lmao) isn’t going to have differing opinion on ideal candidates vs current picks otherwise
Didn’t Oz run like super last minute?
Didn’t Oz run like super last minute?
I don’t think so, I could be wrong though
I don’t think so, I could be wrong though
Yeah you’re right he announced late November 2021
biggest bag fumble in history
Gotta say, I’m p floored by how solid of a lead De Santis seems to have built up in his governor race in Florida given how
A) Florida had been decently purple only a couple years ago
B) He is extremely against abortion, and anti abortion seems to not even be popular in a place as red as Kansas.
My only thought is that maybe it’s different because the Latino population in Florida is just big on anti abortion?
Gotta say, I’m p floored by how solid of a lead De Santis seems to have built up in his governor race in Florida given how
A) Florida had been decently purple only a couple years ago
B) He is extremely against abortion, and anti abortion seems to not even be popular in a place as red as Kansas.
My only thought is that maybe it’s different because the Latino population in Florida is just big on anti abortion?
Who is he even running against?
Who is he even running against?
Charlie Crist, who you would think would put up a decent fight since he has great name recognition there (he was governor there for 4 years 2007-2011)
the GOP has somehow managed the impossible, which is being even more incompetent than Dems
the GOP has somehow managed the impossible, which is being even more incompetent than Dems
I meant to ask you this earlier when you said the GOP was fumbling big time but I was wondering what you think they're doing wrong
Country's in shambles and they're playing opposition to incompetent Democrats, isn't that the right play for them
I meant to ask you this earlier when you said the GOP was fumbling big time but I was wondering what you think they're doing wrong
Country's in shambles and they're playing opposition to incompetent Democrats, isn't that the right play for them
They're not playing opposition anymore. That was the winning strategy, which they stopped doing as of 3-4 months ago. Instead of just going "biden bad inflation bad gas prices bad" they completely f***ed their platform. now they're making the election a referendum on the dobbs decision (abortion) and on trump/the 2020 election yet again. no one besides like 100 lobotomized morons give a s*** about voting for an entire party based solely on approval of trump as a political figure
edit: forgot to mention their messaging about student loan forgiveness, a widely popular position, also has hurt them. they have no idea how to run good candidates or how to address opposition when their opponents have actual positions. the GOP is the anti-policy party by and large, not the policy party, so when their opponents have real policy they just s*** the bed (see Oz vs Fetterman)
They're not playing opposition anymore. That was the winning strategy, which they stopped doing as of 3-4 months ago. Instead of just going "biden bad inflation bad gas prices bad" they completely f***ed their platform. now they're making the election a referendum on the dobbs decision (abortion) and on trump/the 2020 election yet again. no one besides like 100 lobotomized morons give a s*** about voting for an entire party based solely on approval of trump as a political figure
edit: forgot to mention their messaging about student loan forgiveness, a widely popular position, also has hurt them. they have no idea how to run good candidates or how to address opposition when their opponents have actual positions. the GOP is the anti-policy party by and large, not the policy party, so when their opponents have real policy they just s*** the bed (see Oz vs Fetterman)
My bad if this sounds dumb but I'm not in the best health so I don't keep up as well as I want to but aren't the GOP still doing the Biden bad gas prices bad etc thing
Also how are they making the election a referendum on abortion - that's confusing to me because it seems like the GOP/their constituents got what they wanted with the SC decision
When you bring up Trump are you just talking about the nonstop FBI talk following the raid?
The part in the edit makes perfect sense though - seeing all these GOP MFs caught in the headlights when Biden/democrats actually came through with some helpful policy (honestly can't blame em surprised me big time too) and just default to opposition even though that's something that's popular with so many was mind bending
the GOP has somehow managed the impossible, which is being even more incompetent than Dems
the ranked choice component of this is the most interesting part to me
according to axios, "half of Begich's votes went to Palin in the second round, nearly 30% went to Peltola and another 21% ranked neither candidate as their second choice"
axios.com/2022/09/01/democrat-mary-peltola-wins-upset-in-alaska-special-election
My bad if this sounds dumb but I'm not in the best health so I don't keep up as well as I want to but aren't the GOP still doing the Biden bad gas prices bad etc thing
Also how are they making the election a referendum on abortion - that's confusing to me because it seems like the GOP/their constituents got what they wanted with the SC decision
When you bring up Trump are you just talking about the nonstop FBI talk following the raid?
The part in the edit makes perfect sense though - seeing all these GOP MFs caught in the headlights when Biden/democrats actually came through with some helpful policy (honestly can't blame em surprised me big time too) and just default to opposition even though that's something that's popular with so many was mind bending
It's basically just an extrapolation of what I put in the edit. The GOP does best when they don't have to focus on actually making proposals, but just calling out their opposition for being dumb. And given the first 2 years of the Biden administration, it really seemed like that was gonna work well for them. However, they're flailing because the people they're running against are for the most part now running on actual policy (Pat Ryan from NY is another example). The GOP simply cannot run against actual policy; it's fundamentally incapable because it's not a policy party as i said,
it was ironically what made Trump so popular to begin with - whatever you think about Trump or his policies, he had policies that were alternative to democrats; he wasn't just floating in limbo like establishment GOP candidates typically are. Yeah, all of those thing are still an issue w/ inflation, etc., but it's hard to focus on that when you have to also follow party messaging that student loan relief is bad. How are you going to say you want to help people financially because of crippling economic issues but also you have no policy vs the other party suggesting debt relief for example? It doesn't line up. Especially when you have candidates like Fetterman running ads saying they want to cut taxes for the working class. The GOP has no idea how to respond to that.
The part about abortion is because with Dobbs having passed, yeah, the GOP has a huge victory. But it's not a popular victory (see the recent Kansas referendum - and that's a red state). So now the GOP is in an awkward position where they have to tow a party line of a wildly unpopular decision, but also ambigiously voice matters over if they support extending Dobbs to, say, Gay Marriage (see the Lindsay Graham interview on this for example.complete failure). Furthermore, with some republicans like Pence suggesting all abortion should be banned, the GOP now has to answer to that. Some candidates (i.e. Blake Masters) have removed everything about abortion from their website entirely and are backtracking all of their stances because of how nationally unpopular Dobbs is. This is giving their opposition a massive gift because they can s*** on republicans for A. not even believing their own s*** B. getting us into this situation to begin with C. circumstantially looking terrible given popular support vs their position.
The Trump thing is mainly in lieu of the recent classified documnets controversy but also syncophants trying to follow Trump's messaging, mainly stuff on them STILL talking about StopTheSteal and the election being stolen, etc. Literally no actual voters give a s***. It's all online or rhetorical stuff. No one wants to vote for a candidate who's entire policy platform is just "the 2020 election was completely invalid and stolen".
the ranked choice component of this is the most interesting part to me
according to axios, "half of Begich's votes went to Palin in the second round, nearly 30% went to Peltola and another 21% ranked neither candidate as their second choice"
https://www.axios.com/2022/09/01/democrat-mary-peltola-wins-upset-in-alaska-special-election
no doubt a large part of her losing was her just being incredibly unpopular