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  • Ye24 🧢
    Nov 20, 2020
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    The Man

    I hope teams stop giving woj info

    It will all be alright bro

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    Ye24

    It will all be alright bro

    No

  • Ye24 🧢
    Nov 20, 2020
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    The Man

    No

    Don’t punch any couches today

  • Nov 20, 2020
    Ye24

    Don’t punch any couches today

    I’m off

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    Ye24

    Don’t punch any couches today

    Went from La Z Boy to Cra Z Boy

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    R D

    what does it accomplish

    are other teams paying a premium to pry the guys away from their agreed contracts

    seems weird

    Personally I think it's just a cheeky way to boost a guys value, his agent will have another lucrative offer on the table as a plan B, accept offer from plan A and then back out on it until team from plan A gives you the money you're looking for. If they don't still go with lucrative Plan B option

    Agents/Players can play this charade because what is a team gonna do most of the time?? By the time the player has backed out on the deal there's no other options/there too deep into the trade/etc. It could also be a case like this where there may be no other alternative option for the Bucks, so the likelihood of paying BB max $$'s increases

    Basically, It creates emotion/desperation/worry on the opposite end of the negotiating table and sparking these feelings grants you leverage in negotiation. Scummy and especially as a Giannis fan I don't like this at all but it's smart until the NBA institutes some sort of rule change

  • Nov 20, 2020
    The Man

    I hope teams stop giving woj info

    Just read interesting article yesterday, prob will never happen

    newrepublic.com/article/120572/adrian-wojnarowski-how-basketballs-reporting-machine-gets-his-scoops

  • Nov 20, 2020

    "Wojnarowski has needed more than just a strong work ethic, though, to develop the best sources in basketball. If you look closely at his columns and talk to people in the NBA, you discover that he mixes his reporting and opinion writing in improper ways, rewarding sources with flattery and punishing the uncooperative with nastiness. In fact, it often appears as though Adrian Wojnarowski lets his sourcing dictate not just the topic but also the tone of his writing. In private, NBA reporters complain endlessly about Wojnarowski’s methods. Some of it is undoubtedly professional jealousy, but his body of work shows they also have a point.....

    Wojnarowski gave up the ESPN column when he left The Record for Yahoo Sports in 2006. And he made that move at a time when the wall between news and editorial sports writing was crumbling. The wrecking ball was, largely, ESPN and its imitators. With cable packages showing every game and highlights instantly available online, fans no longer had to read the paper the next morning. They began looking to basketball reporters for scoops. Basketball journalism entered what Grantland’s Bryan Curtis called the “Trade Rumor Era,” where “the chief method of putting points on the board … is to file a story that includes the words ‘league source.’” And in this new era, Wojnarowski thrived. He quickly realized that his position as an opinion columnist could be leveraged through favorable coverage into scoops.

    In his first year at Yahoo, Wojnarowski didn’t yet have the rolodex of sources to drop #WojBombs, and his work largely resembled what he had done at The Record. But he cultivated NBA sources, and news scoops began to appear alongside—and sometimes within—personal screeds. By the 2008 offseason he was fully invested in breaking news, citing “sources” in 14 articles in less than a month. By the most recent trade deadline, he broke so much news that most of it didn’t even end up on Yahoo Sports; he merely tweeted it out before he moved on to the next newsbreak.

    If you pay attention, you can draw the lines between Wojnarowski's stories and tweets to figure out how he reports. On July 2 at 10:31 p.m., Wojnarowski posted a piece about Los Angeles Clipper Jamal Crawford’s desire for a contract extension. It contains quotes from Crawford’s agent Andy Miller, blatantly attempting to negotiate for a new contract through the media. Less than 30 minutes later, Wojnarowski broke the news that Kyle Lowry—another Miller client—was going to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors. He even had time to get a quote from Lowry about re-signing, which almost never happens in the hyper-competitive breaking news world, where two minutes means the difference between first and irrelevant. Nine days later, after another Miller client signed a new contract, Wojnarowski tweeted “Great success story, great contract for agent Andy Miller.”

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    GATEKEEPER

    Personally I think it's just a cheeky way to boost a guys value, his agent will have another lucrative offer on the table as a plan B, accept offer from plan A and then back out on it until team from plan A gives you the money you're looking for. If they don't still go with lucrative Plan B option

    Agents/Players can play this charade because what is a team gonna do most of the time?? By the time the player has backed out on the deal there's no other options/there too deep into the trade/etc. It could also be a case like this where there may be no other alternative option for the Bucks, so the likelihood of paying BB max $$'s increases

    Basically, It creates emotion/desperation/worry on the opposite end of the negotiating table and sparking these feelings grants you leverage in negotiation. Scummy and especially as a Giannis fan I don't like this at all but it's smart until the NBA institutes some sort of rule change

    has it ever happened that a player agreed to a deal with team A, then reneged and accepted a higher offer with team B, before actually getting a more lucrative contract in the end from team A

    like the number one rule of bad faith negotiating is you burn bridges with the opposing party lol

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    R D

    are there any non-lame ball podcasts ?

    i tried lowe but couldn't get into it

    We off Ball podcasts

    Throwing Fits the only pod I listen to atm

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    Ctfu

  • Nov 20, 2020
    fmvp yzy vert

    We off Ball podcasts

    Throwing Fits the only pod I listen to atm

    im tryna get like the capologists ittt

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    R D

    has it ever happened that a player agreed to a deal with team A, then reneged and accepted a higher offer with team B, before actually getting a more lucrative contract in the end from team A

    like the number one rule of bad faith negotiating is you burn bridges with the opposing party lol

    It's legit happened twice before with BB's exact agent lolol

    "Bogdan Bogdanovic agent history—

    Marcus Morris (2019) agrees to 2yr/20m deal w/ Spurs. Spurs trade Bertans to Wizards to create space for Morris deal. Morris backs out of deal with Spurs and signs 1yr/15m with Knicks days later. Spurs lose Morris & Bertans.

    Nemanja Bjelica (2018) agrees to deal with Sixers. Then has “2nd thoughts” and intends to return to play in Europe. Then flip flops again to sign a 3yr/20m deal with the Kings.

  • Nov 20, 2020

    C***Town and Tim Dillon is Going To Hell are the best basketball podcasts, by a mile :​

  • Slingshot 🦚
    Nov 20, 2020

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    Ohh I see what you're saying RD, nah the plan has never worked in the long run it looks like, perhaps an intrinsic part of the plan is also getting plan B and C teams to bump up their offer after the initially renig or maybe as you said other teams just flat out paying them to do this idk, would be weird if that was the case

  • Nov 20, 2020
    GATEKEEPER

    It's legit happened twice before with BB's exact agent lolol

    "Bogdan Bogdanovic agent history—

    Marcus Morris (2019) agrees to 2yr/20m deal w/ Spurs. Spurs trade Bertans to Wizards to create space for Morris deal. Morris backs out of deal with Spurs and signs 1yr/15m with Knicks days later. Spurs lose Morris & Bertans.

    Nemanja Bjelica (2018) agrees to deal with Sixers. Then has “2nd thoughts” and intends to return to play in Europe. Then flip flops again to sign a 3yr/20m deal with the Kings.

    that's not leveraging a higher offer from plan B to get more favorable terms with plan A though, unless you're suggesting they had deals in principle with the Knicks and Kings respectively beforehand, which there was never any indication of

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    fmvp yzy vert

    Ctfu

    max 4 ppl itt will understand this bro

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    GATEKEEPER

    Ohh I see what you're saying RD, nah the plan has never worked in the long run it looks like, perhaps an intrinsic part of the plan is also getting plan B and C teams to bump up their offer after the initially renig or maybe as you said other teams just flat out paying them to do this idk, would be weird if that was the case

    only reason i could see it increasing the player's value is if it quells the team that offers a better deal's apprehensions about the players value, or if they're just explicitly paying to hamstring an opponent's free agency window

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    red eagle

    max 4 ppl itt will understand this bro

    It’s still killing me lol

    Know too many people who actually talk like that

  • Nov 20, 2020
    fmvp yzy vert

    It’s still killing me lol

    Know too many people who actually talk like that

    lol i feel u dont worry

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    fmvp yzy vert

    Ctfu

    need definitions for narni and lowe it

  • Nov 20, 2020

    Pogback on a free next year @NPZx

    would still rather have rabiot tho

  • Nov 20, 2020
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    R D

    only reason i could see it increasing the player's value is if it quells the team that offers a better deal's apprehensions about the players value, or if they're just explicitly paying to hamstring an opponent's free agency window

    Yeah I'm just tryna theorize really, there's obviously some sort of pattern of behavior with this agent though, thats forsure

    In regards to other teams paying, who in the hell was worried about 2019 Spurs getting Morris in that case lmfaoooo

  • 0 🔥
    Nov 20, 2020
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    look at julio man

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