Nov 13, 2020
BoozerLove you man
if im keeping it 100 I don't really wash below my crotch mostly cuz its a pain to bend over in the shower
Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replySex Arse Tycoonlol even Americans on medicaid have half the wait time Canadians have im speaking from my experience with Canadian healthcare cuz im Canadian and everyone here will tell you its s***. I have experience with German health care which is also free and much faster
we only have better medical outcomes and life expectancies cuz we aren't as fat as you guys but well get there within the next couple decades
I used to live in Canada and almost all of my family is in Canada and they would say the exact opposite.... So so much for anecdotes.
This is also consistent with other modern developed countries that have universal healthcare having longer life expectancies than the US... Better medical outcomes isn't because we're more fat... It's in large part to more people going to see their doctors, checkups, being able to get care which leads to more preventative care and less chronic illnesses and diseases.... The US has s***ty preventative care and around 40,000 people die every year here due to lack of medical care because they don't have insurance and can't afford to pay for treatments... Many people here in the US don't get something mild checked out because of cost and it becomes life threatening.
Pack it the f*** up
- Nov 13, 2020First Take
Bros be like āyeah I will drink this cucumber gatorade! Tastes good!ā š·
Absolutely delicious flavor, but needs to be very cold
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyMetaphoricalOne
I used to live in Canada and almost all of my family is in Canada and they would say the exact opposite.... So so much for anecdotes.
This is also consistent with other modern developed countries that have universal healthcare having longer life expectancies than the US... Better medical outcomes isn't because we're more fat... It's in large part to more people going to see their doctors, checkups, being able to get care which leads to more preventative care and less chronic illnesses and diseases.... The US has s***ty preventative care and around 40,000 people die every year here due to lack of medical care because they don't have insurance and can't afford to pay for treatments... Many people here in the US don't get something mild checked out because of cost and it becomes life threatening.
Pack it the f*** up
im not saying the us system is overall better then Canada because I don't have personal experience with it dee just asked what the cons to gov paid for health care were and I explained some of them ive noticed in Canada
Canada consistently ranks last or close to last in health care quality among first world countries
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5826705
its a 10 week wait time for a mri scan in Canada right now, in America its 2 weeks
fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018
if you have a neurological condition or something else wrong with your body those extra 2 months of waiting for a simple MRI scan could easily kill you
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·editedĀ·1 replySex Arse Tycoon
im not saying the us system is overall better then Canada because I don't have personal experience with it dee just asked what the cons to gov paid for health care were and I explained some of them ive noticed in Canada
Canada consistently ranks last or close to last in health care quality among first world countries
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5826705/
its a 10 week wait time for a mri scan in Canada right now, in America its 2 weeks
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018
if you have a neurological condition or something else wrong with your body those extra 2 months of waiting for a simple MRI scan could easily kill you
Not a response to the points I've made, but let's look at that study... And keep in mind the study you shared is one of the less favorable studies for Canadian Healthcare...
"Canadaās poor rankings in the domains of āaccessā and āequityā are largely driven by the costs of dental care and d****, with 30% of Canadian respondents reporting difficulties in paying for d**** and 28% skipping routine dental care (compared with 12% and 11%, respectively, in the United Kingdom, the country ranked highest in these domains)"
I'm not talking about dental care... That's a big problem in the US too... I'm comparing the two obviously... It seems your entire framing of your argument is bunk since it's largely comparing Canada with the UK.... And is leaning more favorably in its critiques of Canada's healthcare system towards the UK system which is another universal healthcare system... You realize that right?
Also from that study...
"Canada ranked highest in vaccination rates and mammography screening, and had the lowest rates of admissions to hospital for ambulatory careāsensitive conditions. Canadaās total stroke mortality (considering all cases, not just the hospitalized cases) and disability-adjusted life-years lost to stroke per 100 000 is among the lowest in the world, and lower than in the UK and United States."
"Canadians with cardiovascular risk factors are more likely to be aware of their conditions compared with peers in the US or the UK, Canadians are also more likely to be receiving treatment and do exhibit higher control rates"
Right in line with other studies on Canada's increased preventative care that I've mentioned which leads to better medical outcomes and of course contributes to higher life expectancy.
In contrast to the Commonwealth Fund Report, the WHO ranks Canada among the top 10 of 191 countries and third among the 11 countries included in the Commonwealth Fund Report for HALE at 72.3 health-adjusted life-years (compared with 71.4 life-years in the UK and 69.1 life-years in the US).
Recent a***ysis from the Global Burden of Disease Study showed that Canada was in the top 10% of the 195 countries that were compared on the Healthcare Access and Quality Index, ranking above several countries that scored higher in the Commonwealth Fund Report.
And actual patients and citizens rank their healthcare system in Canada and other developed nations with some version of universal healthcare much higher than Americans rank their own.
news.gallup.com/poll/245873/seven-maintain-negative-view-healthcare-system.aspx
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- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyMetaphoricalOne
Not a response to the points I've made, but let's look at that study... And keep in mind the study you shared is one of the less favorable studies for Canadian Healthcare...
"Canadaās poor rankings in the domains of āaccessā and āequityā are largely driven by the costs of dental care and d****, with 30% of Canadian respondents reporting difficulties in paying for d**** and 28% skipping routine dental care (compared with 12% and 11%, respectively, in the United Kingdom, the country ranked highest in these domains)"
I'm not talking about dental care... That's a big problem in the US too... I'm comparing the two obviously... It seems your entire framing of your argument is bunk since it's largely comparing Canada with the UK.... And is leaning more favorably in its critiques of Canada's healthcare system towards the UK system which is another universal healthcare system... You realize that right?
Also from that study...
"Canada ranked highest in vaccination rates and mammography screening, and had the lowest rates of admissions to hospital for ambulatory careāsensitive conditions. Canadaās total stroke mortality (considering all cases, not just the hospitalized cases) and disability-adjusted life-years lost to stroke per 100 000 is among the lowest in the world, and lower than in the UK and United States."
"Canadians with cardiovascular risk factors are more likely to be aware of their conditions compared with peers in the US or the UK, Canadians are also more likely to be receiving treatment and do exhibit higher control rates"
Right in line with other studies on Canada's increased preventative care that I've mentioned which leads to better medical outcomes and of course contributes to higher life expectancy.
In contrast to the Commonwealth Fund Report, the WHO ranks Canada among the top 10 of 191 countries and third among the 11 countries included in the Commonwealth Fund Report for HALE at 72.3 health-adjusted life-years (compared with 71.4 life-years in the UK and 69.1 life-years in the US).
Recent a***ysis from the Global Burden of Disease Study showed that Canada was in the top 10% of the 195 countries that were compared on the Healthcare Access and Quality Index, ranking above several countries that scored higher in the Commonwealth Fund Report.
And actual patients and citizens rank their healthcare system in Canada and other developed nations with some version of universal healthcare much higher than Americans rank their own.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245873/seven-maintain-negative-view-healthcare-system.aspx
lol that stroke stat is including non hospitalized stroke cases by the way the leading causes of stroke are diabetes and high blood pressure obviously we are gonna have more mild strokes because we are less obese, specifically addressing hospital care for strokes it says
"Canada is ranked last in the Commonwealth Fund Report for stroke care while in hospital"
again your missing my point entirely no where did I say americas health care is better then Canadas I was just addressing dees question about the cons of gov health care from my personal experience which are
- insane wait times for scans
- insane wait times to see a non general practitioner
- crowded hospitals and long emergency room wait times
- having to pay for prescription pills, optometry, and dental work separately while 10 percent off our taxes go to the gov health care system
- best doctors and surgeons leave the country to work in America
- failing hospital infrastructure
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- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replySex Arse Tycoon
lol that stroke stat is including non hospitalized stroke cases by the way the leading causes of stroke are diabetes and high blood pressure obviously we are gonna have more mild strokes because we are less obese, specifically addressing hospital care for strokes it says
"Canada is ranked last in the Commonwealth Fund Report for stroke care while in hospital"
again your missing my point entirely no where did I say americas health care is better then Canadas I was just addressing dees question about the cons of gov health care from my personal experience which are
- insane wait times for scans
- insane wait times to see a non general practitioner
- crowded hospitals and long emergency room wait times
- having to pay for prescription pills, optometry, and dental work separately while 10 percent off our taxes go to the gov health care system
- best doctors and surgeons leave the country to work in America
- failing hospital infrastructure
You realize those wait times of which reports vary on are still not emergencies and life saving treatment right? You were comparing the two systems so idk why you're acting like you aren't.... Americans pay wayyyy more for pharmaceuticals than Canadians and get less access to it... Americans pay way more for healthcare and also get less access to it also... Americans have very long wait times in the US emergency rooms even when they have insurance and definitely if they don't you could be s*** out of luck... If you need to get treatment for a chronic condition or illnesses you're also f***ed..... Around 40,000 Americans die every year due to lack of healthcare and you're talking about wait times advantages for largely elective procedures.
Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replySex Arse TycoonTheres advantages and disadvantages to both.. American wait times for visiting any kind of specialist are the lowest in the world while also having the best hospitals and doctors in the world.
Meanwhile in Canada wait times are ridiculous even for something like an MRI scan that you can get done in America with 30 minutes of walking into seeing a doctor.
Healthcare cost per person in America is about 11000 dollars and 7000 dollars in Canada.... is the extra 4k per person worth the improvement in care and speed of treatment?
Now compare this to uk... my homie pat Ā£40 to visit the dentist and like Ā£300 to fix his teeth while I pay like 5k for one teeth and extra 7k to finish it
And thatās just dental work, and also got another body dr I visit every month or other month. Point is healthcare in America is stupid pricey and can bankrupt you in certain cases. Thereās a way they can make it cheaPer without stupid prices and less wait time- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyMetaphoricalOne
Remember these generally are the same people who are "pro-life"
Only life thatās close to them or they know
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·2 repliesSex Arse Tycoon
lol even Americans on medicaid have half the wait time Canadians have im speaking from my experience with Canadian healthcare cuz im Canadian and everyone here will tell you its s***. I have experience with German health care which is also free and much faster
we only have better medical outcomes and life expectancies cuz we aren't as fat as you guys but well get there within the next couple decades
So if Germany is good, why you bringing up Canada?
You brought up a bad example to debunk whatās right
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyDeelights_
Now compare this to uk... my homie pat Ā£40 to visit the dentist and like Ā£300 to fix his teeth while I pay like 5k for one teeth and extra 7k to finish it
And thatās just dental work, and also got another body dr I visit every month or other month. Point is healthcare in America is stupid pricey and can bankrupt you in certain cases. Thereās a way they can make it cheaPer without stupid prices and less wait timeMedical bills is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US...
"medical bankruptcy"
That doesn't even exist in Canada.
He doesn't know s***.
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One teeth procedure cost me almost 15k, had to get care credit to pay for it monthly and still gotta see my other dr and thatās like 350-400 too
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyDeelights_
So if Germany is good, why you bringing up Canada?
You brought up a bad example to debunk whatās right Exactly the argument is universal healthcare vs the US Private price gouging rapacious healthcare system.
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyDeelights_
Only life thatās close to them or they know
Or really just "anti-abortion"
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyMetaphoricalOne
You realize those wait times of which reports vary on are still not emergencies and life saving treatment right? You were comparing the two systems so idk why you're acting like you aren't.... Americans pay wayyyy more for pharmaceuticals than Canadians and get less access to it... Americans pay way more for healthcare and also get less access to it also... Americans have very long wait times in the US emergency rooms even when they have insurance and definitely if they don't you could be s*** out of luck... If you need to get treatment for a chronic condition or illnesses you're also f***ed..... Around 40,000 Americans die every year due to lack of healthcare and you're talking about wait times advantages for largely elective procedures.
bro how is the MRI scan example I used an elective procedure? all im saying is there are pros and cons to both but wait times are clearly much worse in Canada
In the U.S. the average wait time for a first-time appointment is 24 days (ā3 times faster than in Canada); wait times for Emergency Room (ER) services averaged 24 minutes (more than 4x faster than in Canada); wait times for specialists averaged between 3ā6.4 weeks (over 6x faster than in Canada)
21% of Canadian hospital administrators, but less than 1% of American administrators, said that it would take over three weeks to do a biopsy for possible breast cancer on a 50-year-old woman
In the U.S., patients on Medicaid, the low-income government programs, can wait up to a maximum of 12 weeks to see specialists (12 weeks less than the average wait time in Canada).
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyMetaphoricalOne
Exactly the argument is universal healthcare vs the US Private price gouging rapacious healthcare system.
Think he just tryna be contrarian, am sure over 79% American will easily sign up for Canadian healthcare as s***ty as he claim it is if they know the details. America spend stupid money on military every year, money they can spend on other part of the economy, and thatās what this other countries are doing.
- Nov 13, 2020Boozer
NFL thread got twice our pages be ashamed
Maybe cos they got games and stuffs going on while weāve got nothing but gossips for over a month now
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replyDeelights_
So if Germany is good, why you bringing up Canada?
You brought up a bad example to debunk whatās right cuz you where asking why someone would be against single payer lol? so I gave you some examples of things I don't like about the single payer system In the country I live in
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·1 replySex Arse Tycoon
cuz you where asking why someone would be against single payer lol? so I gave you some examples of things I don't like about the single payer system In the country I live in
Couldāve just specified and also talk about the other countries with better healthcare. Do you know the amount of ppl who go to Mexico for procedures they pay for out of pocket just not to go broke ? Point is America healthcare is stupid expensive and can bankrupt ppl who arenāt middle class if they get gravely sick.
- Nov 13, 2020Ā·2 repliesSex Arse Tycoon
bro how is the MRI scan example I used an elective procedure? all im saying is there are pros and cons to both but wait times are clearly much worse in Canada
In the U.S. the average wait time for a first-time appointment is 24 days (ā3 times faster than in Canada); wait times for Emergency Room (ER) services averaged 24 minutes (more than 4x faster than in Canada); wait times for specialists averaged between 3ā6.4 weeks (over 6x faster than in Canada)
21% of Canadian hospital administrators, but less than 1% of American administrators, said that it would take over three weeks to do a biopsy for possible breast cancer on a 50-year-old woman
In the U.S., patients on Medicaid, the low-income government programs, can wait up to a maximum of 12 weeks to see specialists (12 weeks less than the average wait time in Canada).
What study is that from because if you wanna talk personal experiences.... I've never experienced an emergency room wait time anywhere close to 24min... Don't just look at first time appointments, but follow-up appointments.... Absolutely longer in the US than Canadian and much more costly... You're not factoring in the people whose "wait" time is forever... The numerous who don't get any care and DIE you know right?
- Nov 13, 2020Deelights_
Couldāve just specified and also talk about the other countries with better healthcare. Do you know the amount of ppl who go to Mexico for procedures they pay for out of pocket just not to go broke ? Point is America healthcare is stupid expensive and can bankrupt ppl who arenāt middle class if they get gravely sick.
word for word ur original post was
How can ppl be against free or cheaper health care for all. I just donāt get it.
im citing Canada as an example of why someone could be against it.... why would I talk about countries where it works better then canada if you were asking why someone would be against single payer lol
- Nov 13, 2020Deelights_
Think he just tryna be contrarian, am sure over 79% American will easily sign up for Canadian healthcare as s***ty as he claim it is if they know the details. America spend stupid money on military every year, money they can spend on other part of the economy, and thatās what this other countries are doing.
That's almost the percent of Americans who despise our healthcare system and the percentage of Canadians who like there's is even higher.
Unity šÆNov 13, 2020MetaphoricalOneWhat study is that from because if you wanna talk personal experiences.... I've never experienced an emergency room wait time anywhere close to 24min... Don't just look at first time appointments, but follow-up appointments.... Absolutely longer in the US than Canadian and much more costly... You're not factoring in the people whose "wait" time is forever... The numerous who don't get any care and DIE you know right?
When I had a kidney stone my wait was less than 10 minutes bro
