Somebody itt mentioned that he won’t work with Alc anymore. Why?

I mean firstly I wouldn’t rec Mach to someone who doesn’t like more left-field rap. And even tho he produced it, I wouldn’t put East in the same category as any of the FDM beats, which are all fairly mild soul chops. Carpe DM is the most off-kilter I guess, but even then, it’s hardly an inaccessible beat

Idk, to me the beats on FDM are the easiest to latch on to, and it has some of the most memorable Mach bars. I’d personally suggest it to a first-timer with confidence

Lol I love that track (xxxxxx I think?)

I get lost in the beat, then Mach just randomly pops up

Weird ass song but I enjoy it

I would! I honestly don’t find him that weird or hard to get into, especially if you like lyrics. I genuinely do find it odd when anyone who professes to like hip-hop can’t at least appreciate him. But, like you, I like weirder stuff anyway, so my barometer for what the layperson can artistically withstand is probably off.

That being said, I do still think FDM is absolutely one of his weirder projects, and, as we’ve seen in this very thread, even kind of polarizing among fans.

I do find it odd when anyone who professes to like hip-hop can't at least appreciate him.

HWH 6️⃣6️⃣6️⃣

But yeah I feel that. I suppose if I were to rec him to a more casual rap fan, I'd direct them to FDM.

Wbu? What album/songs would you show to a completely new listener?

tbh hbo seems like the most accessible album to me it’s just mach not many features and nothing really weird that sticks out on it.

I don’t get the HWH 666 thing 😬

And I don’t know! Like I said, it kind of depends on the person, and you almost have to go on your own journey with him and see where/if it clicks for you as an individual.

But someone who just likes rap in general and isn’t too locked into only listening to new or old music? Used to be HBO and WKJ, but seeing as how they’re both missing tracks on streaming now, they’ve been relegated to that dreaded “I’ll email you some zip files! 🤓” territory. Which sucks, because I think they both have a good balance of accessible beats and slightly more off-kilter ones while simultaneously serving as good introductions from a lyrical standpoint. But as far stuff that’s more digestible re: runtime and still widely available online, honestly, probably MHL, which I know is the bane of your personal Mach fandom, haha, but it’s well-arranged, compact, most casual fans seem to enjoy it, and he has so many releases that fans consider to be even better that there’s nowhere to go from MHL but up for a new listener (new fans also don’t come to that release with all of the rollout-induced baggage that we do). If they liked MHL, then I’d probably recommend Bulletproof Luh and FDM. I guess TLT could also work as an introduction, although it’s a little one-note tone-wise (aside from “Spent Casings”, which sounds like a Kendrick Lamar song or something and always takes me out of the overall vibe of the record), but again, things would only get more interesting from there for that listener should they continue to make their way through his discography.

Hermes666....

And yes I agree. All on point. I think HBO is a strong one for sure, but as you suggest, Mach's catalog is pretty diverse so it definitely has something for everyone. I think the DM series would also give people a great idea of what Mach is about

Let’s have this conversation again in five years!

love that we can have civil longform debate itt

speaking generally, i think 'accessibility' is one of those words of which we assume we agree on its meaning

having thought about it, i think 'accessibility' is something like "sounds like other s*** they've heard and liked before, and is easy to grasp conceptually"

so with that said FDM feels inaccessible — poor mixing, shoddy soul chops, distracting samples... and the esoteric mach. i actually had not heard beats like Earl's on FDM before listening so that was off-putting initially.

project grew on me and i definitely like it now. but i'd be hesitant to recommend FDM to a rap fan just because they fw Earl.

Looping this in the meantime

Interesting

I totally agree with you that accessibility encompasses s*** that’s “easy to grasp conceptually”—but I think of it in terms of everything expect Mach’s lyrics (because that’s gonna be a barrier for anyone, no matter their experience w his music). I feel like the beats, hooks, and flows are all very catchy, which makes it easy/enjoyable to listen to

And it’s interesting so many find the production inaccessible—I’ve never considered the beats distracting or indigestible in any way

But I do hear where you’re coming from concerning mixing, etc.

Nerding out very hard today

Honestly most niggas that claim to be “honest hip hop fans” are just Griselda d***suckers
I’ve seen the same people that claim to be that praise Griselda and stovegod like they are gods, and swear rappers like Ka and Earl are god awful
They wouldn’t like Mach, a good amount of people and even Griselda fans already think he sucks
There’s not really an honest hip hop fan in my opinion or maybe my definition is just different than others which is okay

same for me, I dont skip anything. Navy blue stole the show with his beat though.

He just said there are no plans, people assume anything

Anyone listen to that spook x sadhugold album yet?

Yes––it's quite good

I think the mixing on FDM was done on purpose. Not like say, Benny on his most recent project where that mixing was inconsistent and sloppy

Seconded

The fact that it’s done on purpose only makes it more esoteric.

Speaking of imperfect vocal mixing, recording, etc., I love how the “Easter Gunnday 4” verse sounds like it was recorded mouchwa up.

Happy Weedhead Day. Blaze up the chaliwa with the SD 💨

both those spook sadhu albums nice