GOLDMOUFDAWG

6y

Also seriously can’t get over how a man who’s supposedly so well versed in the genre could not see a hint of talent in Mach or his writing or his best selection? Like I understand thinking his pricing is pretentious , I personally don’t at all, but how in the f*** are you a huge hip-hop head and don’t see even see a fraction of his musics quality? From a purely musical stand point I truly do not get how someone stans skyzoo and calls Mach-Hommy trash in the same sentence

GOLDMOUFDAWG

6y

Also seriously can’t get over how a man who’s supposedly so well versed in the genre could not see a hint of talent in Mach or his writing or his best selection? Like I understand thinking his pricing is pretentious , I personally don’t at all, but how in the f*** are you a huge hip-hop head and don’t see even see a fraction of his musics quality? From a purely musical stand point I truly do not get how someone stans skyzoo and calls Mach-Hommy trash in the same sentence

GOLDMOUFDAWG

6y

Also seriously can’t get over how a man who’s supposedly so well versed in the genre could not see a hint of talent in Mach or his writing or his best selection? Like I understand thinking his pricing is pretentious , I personally don’t at all, but how in the f*** are you a huge hip-hop head and don’t see even see a fraction of his musics quality? From a purely musical stand point I truly do not get how someone stans skyzoo and calls Mach-Hommy trash in the same sentence

Rolf Beeler

6y

Somehow I actually started thinking the dude had some interesting points, after reading 10 pages:

I’m 42 years old (Yeah, I’m a grown as man!), married and have 4 kids and reasonable well payed job. Hip-hop got my attention when I was 14, when I first heard N.W.A. (Back then I was into punk music and spent a lot of time in squated houses) and I seriously started loving hip-hop when I heard The 36 Chambers for the first time, at age 16, and then I started to collect hip-hop records.

Over a decade I build a huge collection of hip-hop records (When my friends wanted me to go to McDonalds, I would calcute how many records I could buy and then refuse!), but over the years I got more and more interested in where all the samples came from and I first started digging into funk from the 70’s, then jazz from the 60’s and for the last almost ten years I’ve been colllecting Brazilian records from the early 70’s (Please don’t fall down that rabbit hole. It’s very expensive).

I was very disillusional about hip-hop in the late 00 and thought “Hey, you don’t enjoy hip-hop anymore and that’s the way it should be! Hip-hop’s a young-cat game and if you still enjoy hip-hop, there’s either something wrong with you or hip-hop”...

And then Daupe came! I was on it immediatly and I bought Dollar Menu and, long story short, fell into the Mach-Hommy rabbit hole.

And now back to our infamous dudes points:
I’m a white dude, born and raised in Copenhagen, Denmark, where the majority of the population is considered middle class and a small part considered poor or rich, which is the same for most part of northern Europe (Except maybe the U.K.),
I can understand when someone, who actually comes from the same social background as Mach, thinks he is targeting a privileged white audience, who is enjoying hip-hop as a kind of “ghetto safari”” for white kids. And to be honest, then for me personally, there’s some truth to that. For example I truly love Geto Boys, almost cartonish, descriptions of violence in a ghetto, though it’s very very far from what I’ve ever experinced.

PS.
Sorry for my long post (and mispellings) but I thought I had to put my points into a personal context, to make it meaningful.

Rolf Beeler

6y

Somehow I actually started thinking the dude had some interesting points, after reading 10 pages:

I’m 42 years old (Yeah, I’m a grown as man!), married and have 4 kids and reasonable well payed job. Hip-hop got my attention when I was 14, when I first heard N.W.A. (Back then I was into punk music and spent a lot of time in squated houses) and I seriously started loving hip-hop when I heard The 36 Chambers for the first time, at age 16, and then I started to collect hip-hop records.

Over a decade I build a huge collection of hip-hop records (When my friends wanted me to go to McDonalds, I would calcute how many records I could buy and then refuse!), but over the years I got more and more interested in where all the samples came from and I first started digging into funk from the 70’s, then jazz from the 60’s and for the last almost ten years I’ve been colllecting Brazilian records from the early 70’s (Please don’t fall down that rabbit hole. It’s very expensive).

I was very disillusional about hip-hop in the late 00 and thought “Hey, you don’t enjoy hip-hop anymore and that’s the way it should be! Hip-hop’s a young-cat game and if you still enjoy hip-hop, there’s either something wrong with you or hip-hop”...

And then Daupe came! I was on it immediatly and I bought Dollar Menu and, long story short, fell into the Mach-Hommy rabbit hole.

And now back to our infamous dudes points:
I’m a white dude, born and raised in Copenhagen, Denmark, where the majority of the population is considered middle class and a small part considered poor or rich, which is the same for most part of northern Europe (Except maybe the U.K.),
I can understand when someone, who actually comes from the same social background as Mach, thinks he is targeting a privileged white audience, who is enjoying hip-hop as a kind of “ghetto safari”” for white kids. And to be honest, then for me personally, there’s some truth to that. For example I truly love Geto Boys, almost cartonish, descriptions of violence in a ghetto, though it’s very very far from what I’ve ever experinced.

PS.
Sorry for my long post (and mispellings) but I thought I had to put my points into a personal context, to make it meaningful.

KarlRemarks

6y

The DM cover is inspired/photoshopped from a pic of Muhammad Ali posing with cash so more likely inspired by that + the other one being a coincidence

GOLDMOUFDAWG

6y

Is there still no rip of the Pres bonus vinyl anywhere? haven’t checked soul seek in a min and am at work rn

Kalrissian

6y

I got a rip of the Asiatique

killjoy

6y

You mind sending that my way? Only track I’m missing

WRU

6y

I just think its that time when you pick a position and you kinda know youre wrong but youre in too deep with that and didn't think it through in the first place. like yeah it makes NO sense but at the same time I kinda get it. arguing bullshit can be fun

Hermes666

6y

Why would I pick a position? What loyalty pro or against Mach should a brother have, I ain’t know the dude he ain’t my peoples. I’m calling it how I feel. If he dropped a dope record tomorrow, even if it cost $1000 I’d give him props. I already said HBO is decent. I’m saying though I think he’s a flash in the pan and I don’t think y’all be on him for the long run, mainly because he ain’t gonna be. He said himself he in it for the bag. No hate on that but if a brother outright says that then you already know what it is. Every artist want to get paper, lets get honest about the game here. But I’m not critiquing business practice here I’m critiquing music, performance and the s*** that keeps you in the game. Throwing salt on Sky’s name from kids outside the culture doesn’t play well for the reasons y’all doing it.

WRU

6y

bet you dont keep that same energy for P

fuck rap, im tryna make cream and thats that

WRU

6y

bet you dont keep that same energy for P

fuck rap, im tryna make cream and thats that

Hermes666

6y

Y’all didn’t listen to none of what I said. Let me tell you something, and I know I’m speaking to people who ain’t in the circles here, but it’s about accessibility and visibility. First you handle the local scene, the culture itself. And then after that sure go and get that suburban dough. It don’t matter if we talkin Jigga, AZ, Skyzoo, Sean P whoever. All these dudes ended with a bigger fan base outside the culture, but they got there through they visibility. Making themselves accessible to the culture they from, building from there. Of course it’s all about paper in the end, I already said that, but then again all these dudes still at it so clearly there’s soul and emotion in the music to them. I question if Mach will be here in five years.

Now y’all say Mach is accessible because his prices don’t mean s*** and y’all can stream or download his music. That’s true. But go down to the essence of the culture and I guarantee hardly anyone know who he is let alone play his s***. And it ain’t because they think he’s wack, it’s because he ain’t visible to them. Even on the internet this dudes biggest acknowledgements are on this website or places like f***ing pitchfork. The internet has created shortcuts, and that’s fine but let’s not front that 99% of Mach listeners and consumers are suburban white kids and always have been (dude ain’t pushed nothing until hbo). Which again is fine, but it’s why y’all would be fine throwing dirt at Skyzoo because y’all can’t possibly understand that on a local level a dude like Sky gets mad respect from the culture. And if it ain’t Skyzoo y’all can replace him with Jadakiss, Cam’Ron, Sean P, Cormega, whoever the f*** you want. Maybe hop down to Texas and it’s ESG. Maybe Memphis and it’s Playa Fly. Detroit it’s Payroll. This ain’t about Skyzoo it’s about the culture.

If Wu-Tang dropped now and went direct to dropping overpriced albums (forget the Martin Skhreli s*** that ain’t a Wu album) then with all the Kung fu references etc it could come off real corny. But they built and grew through the culture organically and had that locked so then they expanded their visibility beyond the culture.

The way a lot of y’all talk up in here is the same way other cultures be trying to hijack BLM. Nah b your role is to listen, not to keep talking and trying to tell us about our own. We know, it’s y’all who need to listen without talking. Stop being defensive and consider why I feel the need to say this.

SLYCLOPS

6y

Sometimes I think I was on the right path in music taste when a lot of artists I just discover individually at separate times in my life either find their way to collab with each other or at least be hip to each other

FRITZD

6y

Not that I checked but I doubt it’s news to anyone here that Mach isn’t popular on a local level or being bumped in the streets of his local hood or any hood anywhere. I’m still struggling to wrap my head around why you expect from every rapper to press 12” and sell on the streets like it’s the 90s.
You’ve told me I’m privileged and outside the culture and whatever. I know it’s just empty assumptions because I’ve basically told you nothing about myself so I won’t take any of it seriously, so don’t bother continuing with that s***. I’ll let you know that I know rappers my age in my area. I’ve dapped people my age that are in prison for murder or assault. I know people that know rappers you’ve definitely heard of. In my experience there’s not many these days that are doing it so differently than Mach with the focus on streaming. You can say Mach might be a vulture for other reasons, I disagree but I can sort of see where you’re coming from. But I don’t see why every rapper needs to go through this old ritual of pressing vinyls and selling locally before they start sharing their music with the rest of the world. That’s just not feasible for every young rapper to do if they’re trying to be successful (not that Mach is young, but he’s new), especially if they make good enough music where they can just drop it on SoundCloud and get a bunch of views and attention a lot more easily. Idk, it just seems like you’re expecting too much based on your nostalgic view of what makes a rapper “real”.