1) Dude doesn't perform live, how many artists have never performed live? It's netcee s***

2) Pricing his s*** like he does is bullshit. Y'all say oh well you don't have to cop but that sounds like rich privilege talking. Low income folk already excluded from that choice by default. That's hip-hop now?

3) Y'all keep saying that this ain't full of trust fund kids and that y'all have real listening experience of hip-hop. I ain't seeing that. Got the receipts?

• As someone who prefers to keep his identity hidden myself that first point isn't hard to grasp. He's done multiple shows, it's not the case that he has never stepped on stage to perform live. While performing is a great way to get your name out there, it's also expensive for the artist who has little mainstream exposure -- often requiring them to pay the venue and get a cut back based on attendance. Not saying Mach is short on cash but it hasn't been worth it for him until the past couple years to perform solo. When the COVID thing clears up and he releases some more tunes I would be very surprised if he didn't. He even spit a bar about it recently.

• Far as high prices go it's as simple as people willing to pay for quality. The backbone of capitalism is that any marketable product is only worth what people will pay for it. The music itself isn't worth 1k+, but maybe to a big fan or collector, a limited physical copy bought directly from the artist is a novel and enriching experience. Most I've spent on Mach music/merchandise is 450 of my own hard-earned cash. If you find yourself to be more financially responsible than I, then you wouldn't pay that much for a vinyl and that's totally fine, but to presume I didn't work for that money or that it's going to somewhere undeserved, I'm sure I speak for other investors when I say I'm offended. You speak of civil discourse free of disrespect, but when my friends here express an opinion about a completely unrelated, and, mind you, wholly irrelevant rapper, you chose to attack our character and cultural knowledge. Yesterday was genuinely the first time I can recall someone mentioning sk*zoo in my 5 years on KTT. < That's not disrespect, that's the proverbial pudding.

• Speaking for myself, yep I'm white and Jewish. Also latino but no need to split hairs. I was born in the year 2000. Those two pieces of information alone would lead most people to conclude I don't know s*** about hip hop I prolly listen to Lil Xan and robotrip on weekdays with my braindead suburban cronies, but that couldn't be further from the truth. While I don't come from hip hop, I very much do come from its roots in soul, afrobeat, jazz and blues. I was raised on Coltranes and Miles and Sammy Davis and the like. That music is my first love, the first inescapable wave of emotion imparted on my by a piece of art. Naturally I've chased that feeling since, and hip hop is only my latest muse. I can't take credit for helping advance hip hop as a genre or respectable art form because A) It's not my place B) that work is being done and for many has been done already by Black Americans and those who have truly been tapped into the culture since birth, like yourself. Obviously not everyone who enjoys the genre has done this, intentionally or not, but I did my due diligence entering the world of rap -- I studied the classics and the true pioneers of the art like P and Tribe and the man fka Zev Love X, etc. All this to say: does it truly matter to you that someone who wasn't birthed from what makes hip hop what it is, has fallen in love with it just the same as someone who was? Or are you so diffident of your own taste, or mine, that you just can't bare to see someone with farer skin listening to something you feel obliged to understand so deeply but don't?

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Can you explain what you mean by privilege? I don’t understand your logic or why you think it’s that. I’m 20 and I’ve never owned any physical copies of music in my life besides what my parents already had because I’ve always been able to find s*** on the internet. Finding Mach’s music and downloading it is easy and nothing to me. I’ll speak for myself, but I find it hard to believe someone my age is going to get upset if they can’t find music in the record store. My generation was raised on Lil Wayne and Chief Keef. You complaining about not getting physical copies seems like an old head problem to me.

Also explain what you mean by receipts and “real” listening experience. What’s a fake listening experience to you?

Good response breh. I can't say I agree on it, particuarly points one and two. If a standup comedian record his show and post it on youtube we going to give him the same props as the dude up on stage? I feel like a lot of the pro-Mach comments seem to reflect his business acumen than his musical ability. I understand moving lowkey but that's probably why his music feels flat and one-dimensional. Performing live, engaging in those kinds of things gives an artist more depth and layers. Mach feels like fake deep for pseudo-intellectuals.

KTT don't feel built for real dudes. No threads on Jadakiss, Beanie Sigel, Masta Ace, MC Eiht, Elzhi etc. Sure everyone heard ATCQ and J Dilla, good for them, but there's a reason Skyzoo gets pinned on the coli when he drops. It's all too linear up in here, too cookie cutter.

no way this guy still wanna go back and forth the coli is right there fam it’s where u fellow niggas that are stuck in 2009 can go to

Privilege is when you don't have to consider the flipside, just as you have proven in your post. Fake listening is when you get to choose when you are engaged in the culture and when you want to stop engaging.

All for having opinions and open discussion but I come to this thread for Mach news and updates can we stop this now?

Breh I'm stuck here at the warehouse for two weeks and ain't s*** in the warehouse right now. Wifey and my seed with they fam up in Beantown, my peoples staying low, so I got time for as much smoke as necessary if y'all want to take it there.

This is the biggest update yet breh. Educating y'all.

To that first point, the only thing that people can logically critique about Mach is the way he conducts business which may be why you only see people discussing that bit at length. Mostly because the rapping itself is indisputably dope to pretty much anybody who enjoys New York style rap.

Also yes KTT is not the mecca for discussing underground or distinguished rappers, but that's why this thread and thread like @marcusg 's RENAISSANCE exist. We can't expect every person who likes music and wants to talk about it to go to Reddit or the Coli or Phillaflavor whatever bro pick your site. You just showed up here, you know nothing about us or our community. Apologies if you've been lurking for a bit but still, not even close to the full experience.

reg sched prog coming soon mane just tryna educate a mf half a generation older than myself

The flip side like being old enough to still care about physical copies? All I’m saying is there’s no privilege different within my age group. Nobody is buying f***ing CDs anymore when you can stream s*** for free. If you’re saying everyone born in 2000 is automatically privileged then you’re just crazy, idk what to say to that.

And yeah I didn’t choose to listen to hip hop. But I did choose Mach Hommy if that’s what you’re getting at. Yeah he’s a netcee. I don’t really care though, he makes good music.

Yeah except you ain't possibly able to educate me about my culture. You think a twenty year old white Jewish kid can educate ME about MY culture? You dudes are starting to expose yourselves now. I have an Indian kid throwing the n word at me like it's nothing, a Jewish kid trying to explain my culture to me. Like I said before this is a microcosm of life, not the culture itself. A place for outsiders to hang and feel like they down. An insider shows up and look what happens? Y'all lose your s***. Point proven. Take the education, keep it moving.

By the way no beef with white people or Jewish people. It's just you can't understand my culture and know why I may feel how I feel.

My friend you are entirely missing the point of the conversation. I just said above that I can not and will not advance someone's knowledge or experience in hip hop it simply can't happen. I'm literally only trying to get you to listen to the music and stop making brash statements about individuals who you know nothing about

There's this word right its called altruism

fam download candy crush and play that or some s*** x____X

Yeah fair enough. You seem like a good dude.

Thank you man I'm sure you are as well. Making money for the one's you hold close its something I idolize. But while you sit there with nothing to do I encourage you to seek out Mach's best projects and listen a little more closely, I think you'll be surprised at how deeply you relate to what's being said. Even I as someone who we've established does not relate to most of the subjects that hip hop was born from, Mach still speaks to me and understands my struggles more than any white dude trying to be selfishly profound or introspective. Mach's music may come across as just that but under the surface it's entirely the opposite.

So you from Boston or your fam moved there?

Fete physical is the only big purchase I made from Mach. Everything else I got was leaked so🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

you should start threads on Jadakiss, Beanie Sigel, Masta Ace, MC Eiht, Elzhi etc.I’m sure you’ll get a few posters who would enjoy that. but I find it a bit laughable that you are telling people what we are going to be listening to in 2025 while bring up MCs from the past. A lot of those dudes still put out a lot of solid work but imo they are not innovating anything anymore. Their style is undeniable no doubt. And we hear what you are saying about some Mach fans having a small grasp on hip hop, but to assume posters ITT don’t know the ppl youre mentioning is just odd to me. Hip hop like any genre has alot of sub genres in it. And sometimes those sub genres bubble to the top and change the overall culture.

gonna be fully transparent dude I'm just a rural white kid

Just a big fan of the genre and the music, it's not anyone's place to critique the way mach does his thing, just leave it alone if you don't f with it

edit: retropolitan one of my favorites from last year lol skyzoo does need more credit, don't think he's on mach's level though

my man educating by arguing only brings more confrontation we all know that. if you have so much time on your hands why don't you throw some good references of yours... what will happen will happen, but i'm sure younguns could get on some do or die, gravediggaz or dj zirk. just saying.

and everybody like some k-ci n jo-jo sometimes, but it is the definition of corny right there haha