Nort

2y

highly disagree. i think the last act contradicts the motives of the riddler and basically leaves batmans whole predicament unresolved — if I remember correctly.

I just remember walking out the theater going “did they get different writers for the last act? did they communicate with the writers preceding them whatsoever??”

Purrp

2y

The riddler I said failed narratively I agree. But I think Batman’s arc worked. I guess we would both need to rewatch to view it from the others POV

Like a Camillimane

2y

the motif/general idea of the riddler is he wants to get back at the rich and powerful elite members of gotham society due to the fact he feels like he had no support, help, voice or attention from them. this is a direct juxtaposition of bruce wayne who seemingly has had the same background as the riddler but got everything because his parents were members of the rich and wealthy elite. factor this in with narcissism and BPD he strikes back at all of the corrupt and powerful members of gotham. him blowing up the wall is meant to be the final act because in his head he thinks this is a just payback for his life and society he grew up but as you've pointed out exactly, it makes no f***ing sense. the only people effected by this are lower income class neighborhoods, poor civilians and other lower tier criminals as shown in the penguin

Like a Camillimane

2y

the motif/general idea of the riddler is he wants to get back at the rich and powerful elite members of gotham society due to the fact he feels like he had no support, help, voice or attention from them. this is a direct juxtaposition of bruce wayne who seemingly has had the same background as the riddler but got everything because his parents were members of the rich and wealthy elite. factor this in with narcissism and BPD he strikes back at all of the corrupt and powerful members of gotham. him blowing up the wall is meant to be the final act because in his head he thinks this is a just payback for his life and society he grew up but as you've pointed out exactly, it makes no f***ing sense. the only people effected by this are lower income class neighborhoods, poor civilians and other lower tier criminals as shown in the penguin

wey

2y

it’s the best one but it caused so much damage to the image of Batman in the mainstream and other heroes

Nort

2y

i think my complaint was that batman learned nothing at the end. its like the whole movie was driving home the point that his vigilante antics aren’t the answer, and Bruce just ignores this and goes “Gotta go.. Arkham needs a hero…”

WESLEYS THEORY

2y

Is that really that movies fault though? I don’t think Nolan set out to make some perceived masterpiece…he was just making another entry in the series and it took a life of its own.

I’d probably feel a type of way if the movie was obviously trying to be critic bait but I don’t see it like that in how it was made.

WESLEYS THEORY

2y

Is that really that movies fault though? I don’t think Nolan set out to make some perceived masterpiece…he was just making another entry in the series and it took a life of its own.

I’d probably feel a type of way if the movie was obviously trying to be critic bait but I don’t see it like that in how it was made.

WESLEYS THEORY

2y

Is that really that movies fault though? I don’t think Nolan set out to make some perceived masterpiece…he was just making another entry in the series and it took a life of its own.

I’d probably feel a type of way if the movie was obviously trying to be critic bait but I don’t see it like that in how it was made.

wey

2y

He learned that vengeance and being an angsty prick who beats people up isn’t what the people need

There’s literally a scene of him being a guiding light for the people and then helping injured people get into helicopters

Which juxtaposes his first scene where he was about brutality and vengeance

Nort

2y

THANK YOU

YES! im slowly remembering why exactly this irked me so much

Nort

2y

he should distribute his billions and fund housing cooperates or some s***!

Nort

2y

i think my complaint was that batman learned nothing at the end. its like the whole movie was driving home the point that his vigilante antics aren’t the answer, and Bruce just ignores this and goes “Gotta go.. Arkham needs a hero…”

Nort

2y

he should distribute his billions and fund housing cooperates or some s***!

Like a Camillimane

2y

TDK did more damage to the joker than batman

now every joker is a serious terrorist who is darth vader level scary instead of being a sicko who just kills people because it's funny

wey

2y

if that’s your opinion then I’d agree

He kind of f***ed all of the people he wanted justice for

Though I am fine with villains being hypocritical if that’s what they were going for

wey

2y

He learned that vengeance and being an angsty prick who beats people up isn’t what the people need

There’s literally a scene of him being a guiding light for the people and then helping injured people get into helicopters

Which juxtaposes his first scene where he was about brutality and vengeance

Bro0o0ses

2y

Sick movie idea

Dork Jesus Christ

Purrp

2y

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Imo the point is that his specific way of going about it wasn’t enough / the answer. The symbol is vengeance begets nothing but more negativity at the end of the movie he learns to loosen the f*** up a lil bc what he’s doing is inspiring madness and more crime

I think they’ll explore this more as the trilogy goes on but again juxtapose the beginning when he saves the guy at the trains - he is terrified of Batman and runs away. He inspires the riddler to “do the same thing” as him the riddler says “they’re the same” Batman is f***ed up by this at the beginning he also notes that crime is up despite his actions

Then we look at the end. S*** is f***ed by the little boy believes jn him which leads to everyone believing in him and him literally being the light in the dark leading them to safety (on the nose) then the scene with the helicopter right after. He sees that he needs to be more then vengeance to make a difference which I also took to mean he’s gonna need Bruce Wayne as a persona which he’s been neglecting for months at that point

@Camille am I crazy

Purrp

2y

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Imo the point is that his specific way of going about it wasn’t enough / the answer. The symbol is vengeance begets nothing but more negativity at the end of the movie he learns to loosen the f*** up a lil bc what he’s doing is inspiring madness and more crime

I think they’ll explore this more as the trilogy goes on but again juxtapose the beginning when he saves the guy at the trains - he is terrified of Batman and runs away. He inspires the riddler to “do the same thing” as him the riddler says “they’re the same” Batman is f***ed up by this at the beginning he also notes that crime is up despite his actions

Then we look at the end. S*** is f***ed by the little boy believes jn him which leads to everyone believing in him and him literally being the light in the dark leading them to safety (on the nose) then the scene with the helicopter right after. He sees that he needs to be more then vengeance to make a difference which I also took to mean he’s gonna need Bruce Wayne as a persona which he’s been neglecting for months at that point

@Camille am I crazy