orangetcovid 👌🏿Oct 12, 2023·1 reply
americanaCapitalism is resistant to socialism, because private business owners (small business owners, capitalists, politicians, investors) don’t want to give up social and economic power to the working class as the world continues to change
People have different theories as to how to overcome this. Nort thinks that as normal people gradually adopt new systems of co-op businesses where socialist mechanisms are in the business first, then they will spread upwards
I think that the government and capitalist class will violently enforce capitalism to fight socialism and protect itself, and the working class must organize and violently enforce socialism in its own manner.
This is obviously more complicated than that but it’s the most basic gist
No way you came in to post the thesis you got a C-
- Oct 12, 2023·1 reply
Bro0o0sesSo the wants are similar it's just like two different ways that you guys see to end up in the same/a similar place ?
One being a natural like shift based on independent business (what nort wants)
And one being like a more organized fight for making things work how you want it to work (what you want)
???
We want the same thing
One very big thing, probably THE big thing that socialists disagree on is HOW to get to socialism and how to define “getting to socialism”
Some advocate for worldwide revolution and basically constant war until revolution is globally spread
Some think the countryside peasantry should be organized and wage small scale war against the urban elite
Some think the urban industrial workers should directly seize the halls of power
Some think that socialist governments should engage in pragmatic capitalism to collapse their opponents at their own game before progressing their systems
When your political ideology is based on intricate economic mechanics, but also basically has only existed theoretically for 40 years, you get a lot of offshoots that create arguments
Oct 12, 2023orangetcovidGahdamn your neighbors be getting it in
wey 🇵🇭Oct 12, 2023·1 replyorangetcovidGahdamn your neighbors be getting it in
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- Oct 12, 2023
sonic frontiers banging so hard in the new apartment rn
- Oct 12, 2023wey
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Oct 12, 2023orangetcovidGahdamn your neighbors be getting it in
- Oct 12, 2023Poopfeast420
One is peaceful, one is “necessarily bloody and violent”
We’ve seen the result of peaceful protest all around the world, the motivations of Marxist socialists isn’t unfounded
Nort 💫Oct 12, 2023·1 replyBro0o0sesSo the wants are similar it's just like two different ways that you guys see to end up in the same/a similar place ?
One being a natural like shift based on independent business (what nort wants)
And one being like a more organized fight for making things work how you want it to work (what you want)
???
eh. i just don’t have faith in the idea of a vanguard party whatsoever. i don’t see how we could ever expect it to dissolve, or how to avoid the authoritarian aspects of china/ussr.
- Oct 12, 2023
- Oct 12, 2023orangetcovid
No way you came in to post the thesis you got a C-
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- Oct 12, 2023americana
We want the same thing
One very big thing, probably THE big thing that socialists disagree on is HOW to get to socialism and how to define “getting to socialism”
Some advocate for worldwide revolution and basically constant war until revolution is globally spread
Some think the countryside peasantry should be organized and wage small scale war against the urban elite
Some think the urban industrial workers should directly seize the halls of power
Some think that socialist governments should engage in pragmatic capitalism to collapse their opponents at their own game before progressing their systems
When your political ideology is based on intricate economic mechanics, but also basically has only existed theoretically for 40 years, you get a lot of offshoots that create arguments
This makes sense
Oct 12, 2023what are you guys talking about
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replyNort
eh. i just don’t have faith in the idea of a vanguard party whatsoever. i don’t see how we could ever expect it to dissolve, or how to avoid the authoritarian aspects of china/ussr.
But you have faith in the ability to like radically change the way things are ran without something like that ?
I think that would be really hard as good as it sounds
- Nort 💫Oct 12, 2023Bro0o0ses
But you have faith in the ability to like radically change the way things are ran without something like that ?
I think that would be really hard as good as it sounds
i think you can change things but you wont actually end up with communism — atleast not by the definition I was sold on.
Oct 12, 2023·2 replies
xxxkiraxxxchill habub they are asking questions nort tried to introduce them to socialist ideas and s***
Oh well I apologize @ryder im not tryna read pages back I’m at pub quiz
ask away tho brother
- Nort 💫Oct 12, 2023
Just sorta replaced capitalism with a system thats also highly undesirable
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replySir Real
Oh well I apologize @ryder im not tryna read pages back I’m at pub quiz
ask away tho brother
It was less Ryder asking and more me asking while Ryder tried to explain it
- Nort 💫Oct 12, 2023Sir Real
Oh well I apologize @ryder im not tryna read pages back I’m at pub quiz
ask away tho brother
lmfao no worries
- Oct 12, 2023·1 reply
what the s*** why we got politix in vz plan thread
- Oct 12, 2023·2 replies
i know this was nort's fault
- Nort 💫Oct 12, 2023·2 repliesfrenchpress
i know this was nort's fault
i did not intend on this to happen
- Oct 12, 2023Nort
i did not intend on this to happen
you really summoned the whole gang
- Oct 12, 2023frenchpress
what the s*** why we got politix in vz plan thread
I @ americana
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replyNort
i did not intend on this to happen
have you played the sonic frontiers dlc
it's fire
