krishna bound

5y

Just seemed bizarre and all over the place. Was clearly written for him, seems like his staff was trying to invoke Trump-ist rhetoric with the weird nationalist secular martyrdom stuff, the light anti-immigration stuff, and the bible verses, but couldn't go all the way and instead had this bizarre all over the place feel to it. Answers to reporters questions were also topically consistent, but textually disorganized. Glossing over the part about retaliation to ISIS seems like a big issue. That said at the end when he went off the script/record when he clearly wasn't supposed to he was right and I'm surprised because I never thought I'd hear a US president come out against democratic imperialism in my lifetime. Whether it was for the right reasons or not, of course it likely wasn't, but regardless

krishna bound

5y

anti-pakistan propaganda gonna be wild the next few years

krishna bound

5y

anti-pakistan propaganda gonna be wild the next few years

space0cadet

5y

Could you do me a favor and timestamp when he goes off the record? I stopped the speech in the middle

CLB Fractions

5y

No Taliban ever called me the n word.

we shouldn't be involved in the middle east anyway.

but they shouldn't be killing americans.

ALPHABEAR

5y

why though? Is Biden specifically shifting blame on them?

krishna bound

5y

(also just responding to @Travis_scott_ here)

It's not Biden, it's the media and pundit class going overboard looking for an outlet to shift their bloodthirsty coverage on. Given that it is unlikely that the Taliban will come up dogmatically given the administration's current unshiftable rhetoric on it, the most they can do is basically look toward secondary parties with regional involvement. It is just true that Pakistan is a US ally but also covertly funds islamic groups, and also houses loads of them within the state (whether thats their fault or not is a different question). The new hotness that's about to drop for the media to off on on, ISIS-K, is centered out of Pakistan. There is also the Pakistani Taliban, the TTP, which while opposed to the Afghan Taliban, still carries regional influence and is likely to become a talking point. If the original justification for Afghanistan and Iraq were housing of terrorists, and those people are now reprising early-mid 00s rhetoric, then it's only logical they are going to start going after Pakistan for housing terrorists and not doing enough. Minor rhetoric has already begun with some stations reporting of ISIS-K's bases in Pakistan

Scratchin Mamba

5y

I got another meeting fr

ALPHABEAR

5y

Fair point, however as long as the U.S doesn't formally denounce Pakistan, nothing will happen lol. And Biden is on record saying "Pakistan means 50 times more to us than Afghanistan" (when asked about the value of their relationship). Russia already heavily increasing ties with them, plus China is literally their big brother.

The only difference here is though, if that does come to pass, who wants that smoke? Pakistan's military & nuclear program is one of the deadliest, not to mention scariest in the world. They're not an undeveloped nation with no central command. Paired with their Intelligence services & global influence/lobbying, man, they're very comparable to a South Asian Israel tbh (fun fact, they were both founded in the same year lol).

Troops won't be air dropping into a goat farming desert with sandal wearing rebels. They'll airdrop onto mountains with commandos wearing green face paint and speaking in phonetics.

ALPHABEAR

5y

Fair point, however as long as the U.S doesn't formally denounce Pakistan, nothing will happen lol. And Biden is on record saying "Pakistan means 50 times more to us than Afghanistan" (when asked about the value of their relationship). Russia already heavily increasing ties with them, plus China is literally their big brother.

The only difference here is though, if that does come to pass, who wants that smoke? Pakistan's military & nuclear program is one of the deadliest, not to mention scariest in the world. They're not an undeveloped nation with no central command. Paired with their Intelligence services & global influence/lobbying, man, they're very comparable to a South Asian Israel tbh (fun fact, they were both founded in the same year lol).

Troops won't be air dropping into a goat farming desert with sandal wearing rebels. They'll airdrop onto mountains with commandos wearing green face paint and speaking in phonetics.

krishna bound

5y

To be clear, I'm not actually saying the government will do anything (i don't think Biden will by any means), I'm more indicating that the media and private interests will start a storm against pakistan

ALPHABEAR

5y

Absolutely, they can start wtv they want. But at the end of the day, the ones upset with XYZ can go ask their country’s leader “Hey leader, why aren’t you doing something about Pakistan?”

“Well uhm, you know - the thing is nephew…”

ALPHABEAR

5y

Absolutely, they can start wtv they want. But at the end of the day, the ones upset with XYZ can go ask their country’s leader “Hey leader, why aren’t you doing something about Pakistan?”

“Well uhm, you know - the thing is nephew…”

Frankito Reynolds

5y

· edited

I made a time line of the past 1400 years. History repeats itself more than once.

Arabs invasion of Iran .. they run through Iran and forced their religion, language and customs.

Mongol Invasion ... they run through Iran even worse but were more tolerant toward religion, language and traditions. They mingled and became persianized.

The Hazaras Dynasty "Ghaznavid" (From the city of Ghazni in Afghanistan) was a great Era for Artists. They had some mongol origins. It was During this time that the great persian poet Ferdowsi lived. He wrote Shahnameh (The book of Kings) between 980-1000s. He made it a point to use zero Arabic words in his poems during an era when scholars were forced to publish their books in arabic. The king liked his work so much that he declared persian the language of the courts. If it wasnt for him there is a high chance the language would have died.

Safavid dynasty - Unification of Iran. Birth of Shia Islam.
The reason Shia islam was created was because the iranian kings wanted to distance themselves from the arab khalifas. To stop paying tax and what not. They distanced themselves by declaring shia islam as the official religion and Farsi language as the lingua franca. That's why pakistan national anthem to this day is in Farsi. Because that was the language of courts there back then. And that is why Taliban banned Farsi Dari in 96 in Afghanistan and they are going to again..

Then you need to look into Mahmoud shah Afghan, a Sunni Pashtun tribeman who took control over Kandahar and even got the best of the last safavid king. Mahmoud Shah was the king of the whole Iranian plateau for 2 years.

Afsharid dynasty came after that. Nader Shah took Iran back but the afghan king kept Kandahar and thats how afghanistan as we know it today was formed sometime in 1700s.
Nader Shah didnt care about religion; It was good times for the Artists. He was a hot head he went head to head with the ottomons to a stalemate then covered his costs by going through india. He stole Koohe Nour diamond. Legend has it his treasures are hidden in Damavand mountains.

After Afsharid it was the Qajar dynasty in the 1800s 1900s, thats when the british discovered oil in the region. This era is particularly important. Because remember up to this point there was no electricity. After Volta and Bunsen discovereies the westerners had a massive advantage. From here on they meddled with everyyyyyy scenario. Russians and Brits tricked the Qajars with western miracles like cameras and loans to go on tours on planes to see western countries. This way they took many of the Istan countries you see today on the map. Say hello to modern imperialism.

After the Qajars it was the Pahlavis. The westerners helped the Pahlavis modernize Iran and when they reached a point that they could extract the raw material out and had good enough transportation to get that s*** out they replaced the Pahlavi puppets with the brain dead islamists and started sanctioning them to ensure the country dont develop any further.

ALPHABEAR

5y

This was a good read tbh, thanks for all the insight. One thing I’ll say is that the Pakistani anthem is mutually intelligible between Farsi & classical Urdu (WHICH, is - you’re correct, almost LITERALLY Farsi lol).

Modern day Urdu is 65% Hindi, 15% Farsi, 10% Arabic, 5% Pashto (Afghani) & 5% Turkish.

But I gotta give flowers where due. Pakistan (although Sunni), was HEAVILY influenced by Iran/Persia. Impossible to even deny that.

Hope everything gets better for your country man

space0cadet

5y

Like my dad things Taliban and ISIS are the same thing

"They collaborated to bomb us today"

But they're like .. enemies
He Thinks I'm naive for saying that

TragedyBerlusconi

5y

https://twitter.com/thee_snek/status/1431028343772782602?s=19