I’m saying he doesn’t seem like a dude who thinks in those terms, & the past generation sees no stigma with the term rapper cause it means something else to them, a dude like Wayne for example, but he has every right to call himself an artist cause he his, my main point is I absolutely understand people not liking the word it’s subtly weaponized, in a dismissive & negative way imo

I see what you mean. I think this goes back to what @provider was talking about with labels making things simple because imagine if Paramore made a funk album. It would be to label that differently.

Ye’s popularity is also decreased because of how controversial his actions are. I know it’s a “what if” but i think it’s a factor

I was going to be obtuse just for the hell of it but remembered that “hip pop” has always been a thing

It’s hard to compare Kanye to MJ / Prince cuz of the eras Kanye been through.

MJ and Prince were big in the era where music relied on s*** like word of mouth and radio play.

Kanye came out in 2004 but was really a pop star imo around 2007 when the industry was already drastically different from Prince and MJ heyday and niggas wasn’t buying albums as much

Damn I work tomorrow bro 😭 what u was trying to discuss

My bad, I misunderstood you And I agree with your main point

MJ and Prince have heavy influence on the fashion industry but kanye has that same influence, started trends and changed the landscape of the industry (along with Virgil) while also having his own brand, collections and runway shows.

Bro can’t focus for s***
His track listing are always lacking

In Tokyo at the height of Covid?

We livestream at night if that works but you’re just a interesting Nigga. Wanna throw u on for a bit

Oh my mistake bro

Yea this is where it gets tricky cuz MJ actually wanted to get into more fields but he was already going through mad s*** at the time.

I remember he was attached to a number of movies and s*** but those never materialized.

Yea Ye deff been in more fields than MJ

Nah we’re good ☠️ I didn’t mean to come off dismissive my second point is my main point really

Thank you bruh that’s all I’m saying. They acting like I’m crazy

Japan and korea have a big hypebeast culture so it’s no surprise how popular ye is overseas. I honestly think they care more about ye wears more over there than over here in America

The real question is if pop singers are saying “I’m more than a pop singer, I’m an artist” why is it ok for them and not for rappers?

The 1,2 punch combo of 808s being divisive plus the Taylor incident deff made Kanye public enemy #1 for a while. Then he became a villain again after his comeback Lmao smh

correct me if I'm wrong but the shoes ye known for are roshe inspired right?

also where is the proof he actaully designed anything that everyone wears today
like karl lagerfeld (him not a team under him) designed the iconic chanel logo (double Cs) and made it the brand it is today amongst other things
ye hasnt done anything in that stature when it comes to fashion
were are the fashion pieces he designed that aren't being hyped up by hypebeast but can actually stand alongside iconic pieces from other brands
besides that shoe design that again heavily resembles the nike roshe shoe....idk

mods y’all can’t keep letting him do this

How can you be mad at Travis calling himself an artist when you all call him pop and say he can’t rap?

All his early shoes from lv to like the first few yeezy adidas he was a major part in designing them.

And who cares if they’re roshe inspired that doesn’t mean anything? 350s still in style and roshes aren’t

I was in Tokyo RIGHT when Covid started popping off. Like it was January 2020 and we had started getting the news but we ain’t know how serious it was.

But the thing about Japan is that a few of the locals wear masks over there anyway idk if it’s cuz they’re really germophobes or if it’s cuz of the aesthetic

they are as much as an artist as you are a s*** poster

Yeah i think that just makes it that much more impressive how big his impact has been

Kanye had blogs and iTunes and is a rapper
2 cultural differences that makes it hard to compare with older artists