Stars during and where you started are different

It'd be like calling Luka a star from the 2020s when he started in 2016. Wemby is a star from 2020s he started in 2023. Both are stars during 2020s, but where you would say they started from is different.

OPs question I would base on artists coming up from 2020 and onward

Kind of a arbitrary metric tho like if an artists first hit was very late 90s but had their peak in the 00s we’d say they were a star of the 00s. Like 50 had some p big songs in the late 90s. I think we fail to account for A. There was an entire pandemic B. A baseline for who we are calling superstars C. What we consider a superstar
Also like yea, usually becoming a superstar takes a while esp in the modern era. Like would you say Kendrick was a superstar by gkmc? I wouldn’t. I’d say he became a superstar like DAMN era. If a superstar dominates a year or two do we consider them a superstar? Like my turn was quite huge, doechii is giving superstar performance with her explosive year, dababy had an insane two years of dominance, pop smoke was the biggest rapper on the planet for a bit.

Kendrick started rapping in like 03 and was on his first hit in 09 Drake had a huge mixtape in 08 and Cole was coming up starting 07-09.

just seems so dumb to minimize to that specifically when they debuted a year or 2 earlier and blew up in the 2020s

it’s that specificity that allows this disingenuous thread to rock cause it denies that there are currently active stars while requiring a group of artists that debuted maybe a year or 2 after to also be stars at the same level (which tbh they have been but for some reason 200k is the benchmark???)

I look at it as classes if that make sense. Generally speaking we group artists into the years which they came up. Nobody knew about Kendrick until OD and mostly at GKMC or S80. Hence Cole, Drake, Kendrick being grouped. You'd say their traction really pushed off in either the 10s or late 00s and that's where we think of their rise.

Carti and Uzi grouped together, that soundcloud era from the 15s-18 grouped together. Migos, Rich the kid, RHQ, Thug grouped together in that 12-15 timeframe.

None of these people are acts that you would associate with as peers to start or garner take off in the 2020s.

Acts that only became known in 2020 or later would be people like Doechii, Yeat, Sexy Redd, Rob49, Ice Spice

Yea for sure but like the only difference between them is that they popped off earlier in their career then no? Or that it takes longer for people to become superstars. Or the pandemic caused a disruptsnce in that process. I mean, also even with OD in mind I’d say it took Kendrick like 7 years to become a superstar.

Would you call Hov a star of the 10s? Hov was an established act already you'd have just called him a star would you not?

Uzi was a star when he dropped xo tour life, nobody would associate that with the 2020s. You wouldn't call him a 2020s star, you'd just call him a star.

Same with Kendrick, same Drake, same with Cole, etc. They're stars, nobody calls them 2020s stars, you're indicating a set timeframe when you say 2020s specifically.

Billie Eilish you'd call a 2020s star, sure her first album dropped 2019, but who cares. You'd do that because she came around as an act and what she is today within the 2020s.

Yeah that's the whole point of op putting a timestamp on it isn't it?

Otherwise the conversation is everybody that's currently a star in the genre

For the second part I mean ion think so. We can just say people that became stars in the 20s or like around the 20s usually it isn’t that linear like 50 was coming up in the late 90s and had mixtapes around then we don’t consider him a 90s star. Like, it just seems like a non important distinction. Like I struggle to think of who in 2014 was a SUPERSTAR that debuted specifically after 2010. And that’s without a pandemic. Like Kendrick had just a really good album and mixtape atp he wasn’t a superstar yet in my eyes
Like by this metric I can’t consider Drake a 2010s artist/superstar if it was 2014 while we had this convo

Sure I'd say that's fine for cusp years like 18,19

But we had a whole distinction point for soundcloud rap, so I wouldn't really count any of them as apart of the 2020 come up. They had a whole influence on new acts to start in the last 5 years. It'd be like graduating with your father so to speak.

Yea I’d say then carti can count, in a/t era he was just another “mumble” rapper to people he rly only started gaining respect and s*** in like 2018 and got way bigger in 2019 and became a superstar in the 2020s. He’s like the leader of this generation I feel like that’s fair. Dababy was close to that at one point, pop smoke was a superstar, doechii rn is arguably alr one or getting there. Yb had such a huge cult of personality and was so significant u can put him there. Lil baby in 2020 was an insane run of dominance

I feel tho that it’s just a bit dif when there’s a whole pandemic in this discussion. Idk also if superstar jsut means dominating or performance or cult of personality or what

In that same vein would you call Uzi a 2020s star even though he had his peak with xo tour life back in 2017. Given how Uzi and Carti are constantly compared with one another. Though obviously Uzi isn't doing as hot as his peak.

For OPs question in specific if 2020 is to mean acts in the last 5 years as I interpreted it then I wouldn't say anyone is there yet from the new class. Doechii being the closest and most potential to enter that threshold of who's out there at the moment.

so then wtf are you calling baby and gunna? 2018 stars? they blew up in the late 2010s and became established in the 2020s, therefore it is not wrong to call them 2020s artists

same way Cole and Drake blew up in the late 2000s yet you call them 2010s artists?

make it make sense to me. all we’re saying is that when the stars named debuted and became established it was the 2020s. I’ll name my list again:

Lil Baby, Gunna, Jack Harlow, Doja Cat, Lizzo, Meg, Glorilla, and DaBaby

are we saying that nobody from this group is a star today?

if you follow ops reasoning to a tea then you’d consider Drake a 2000s artists cause he already established hits by 2008/2009

come on gang

and he didn’t peak at xo tour life lmfao. I Just Wanna Rock is literally one of the biggest songs of the 2020s and another song from pretty much 2020 Futsal Shuffle was bigger than both too

nah because Uzi had his superstar run from 2016-2020 I’d say, Carti was on a come up and his peak has been like 2020-now. If you stretch it 2018-now. But Uzi def is a mid-late 10s star. Uzi’s s/t moment is most comparable to luv is rage 1 or luv vs the world. When I think of Carti as the guy I think of like WLR to now. I don’t think when most people think of Carti they think of 2017. I consider eternal stake like basically the last album of his PRIME. When I think of the 2020s I think of Carti like he embodies this time he is the guy this is the time where he had his undisputed classic album allat like he was never the guy before WLR hype cycle. Die lit made people see him as a unique artist WLR changed s***. S/t wasn’t even an album too it was a mixtape

I was trying to say it's a single mixtape he hosted by a suicide boys like rapper, 90%+ of his music isn't going to people like joeyy and he isn't putting people like that on his solo work which tends to have people like rxk nephew. lately most of his music is just hitt swmg affiliates

I hate joeyys music, but thinking suicide boys like rappers when you hear dj smokey is lowkey telling on yourself

doja cat

Ngl yea why don’t we count doja cat if we counted Nicki? All of Nicki biggest songs for the most part are pop songs

Lord she’s massive

Uzi can make a catchy single, but his album sales haven't touched his "prime" years, pink tape don't touch it, the last project don't touch it. We objectively know that's been on a decline. 2017-2020 were the best album numbers of his career.

It's OP thread I answered his question the way he stated it, take that him up with him not me

Hmm yea fair if ur just answering exactly what’s being asked I just have problems with the question. I’d prolly add Doja and pop smoke to that. Do we count lil baby he had one of the highest selling rap albums ever

They’ve spent the entire decade trying to lab grow them to no avail. None of them have the “it” factor because the new gen simply lack the charisma

Refer to what I said about Billie and like I said you'd just call a star a star. The semantics is over whatever OP means be 2020s star, what is the start point or cut off point for the criteria

He's gone into hiding instead of giving the solution @op

What is “lab growing”