Takotchi

6y

kuro, andre's whole s*** falls apart when it's predicated on the notion that J Cole was "policing a messenger" when she did the exact same s*** to him in the first place. Are we gonna forreal act like there was NOTHING wrong with her initial approach? Yall out here villanizing this man as if she didn't start out with a whackass take.

We cannot be actually sitting here basically saying "Instead of responding to this woman who unjustly criticized him, he should be PRAISING her".
Even though he did that anyway in the song.

And asking for help or understanding isn't demanding to be coddled. Nigga said "If I could make one more suggestion, respectfully, I would say it's more effective to treat people like children: understanding the time and love and patience that's needed to grow." Nowhere does that say he wants to coddled and spoon-fed information. Yet yall steady go on about how "he's a 35 year old man he too big to not be--" No, this is exactly what tf he was talking about. No patience. No understanding.

If Noname could receive patience and understanding, and in kind did the same, when she got off her aggrandizing Captalism s***, no matter her age, then why should Cole be any different?

This is exactly why I was so heated off rip because what she did was stupid and b****y for someone that should have the well-rounded understanding that she does from reading from such sagacious sources--and yall over here instigating not only it but a slew of other maligned reasoning that does more to separate us than anything.

Takotchi

6y

Facts. I will never not say that this song in its existence isn't wholly dumb and Cole is not reading the room. It's one thing to have your insecurities; t's another thing to have them make you.

But the treatment of black women was not the initial point of this whole situation. It started out with Noname's problem with the harolded names in her industry, men, who are not on social media utilizing their platforms to spread awareness about the times--not keeping in mind that they've never really done that, acting on social media in regards to serious issues (at least Kendrick never has) and always handled things personally, be it grief or support for a cause. So her complaint just seemed misaligned and presumptuous.

Now Cole responding to Noname is what made it a conversation about the treatment of black women. The way Cole responded, while not ill-conceived, was not at all constructive or to any benefit of Noname. For the most part he acquiesces superior intellect to her and asks for understanding. But all that s*** about growing up woke in her household and the distillation between earning a college degree and still not educating one's self on issues that people like Noname read about was very dumb. J Cole himself not making the most of his resources is, in fact, his fault--but the point is to be kind anyway, especially to the ignorant because they need the most help.
And while I think he was speaking on behalf of people who do not have half the mindset or resources that he or Noname have, and critically need to during these times--need that help--it was a misnomer because he cannot realistically expect Noname to reach the people Cole is talking about. If Cole knows those people then he should reach out to them.

I think the issues with the song are less about a lack of perspective about black women and more on the inefficiency of a rapper who talks about issues he admits he doesn't have much education on, nor has he attempted to throughout his entire career. So, in a way, if Noname can be chastised for her lack of perspective while she was still Noname Gypsy and changed, then so can Cole through this. I just think people are focusing on the wrong thing. They're making this a matter of gender violence or abuse when it's milquetoast in that respect.

I appreciate you having a dialog with me. I should've came that way from the jump instead of blowing up the way I did because I was upset that Noname seemed concerned about tweets, initially.

Smacked Voodoo

6y

So from a personal point of view, I really saw nothing wrong with Noname's tweet because it was a broad statement. I honestly have no f***in clue why Cole felt it applied to him, I don't know why anyone thought it applied to Cole to begin with. We KNOW what J Cole has done and said. The nigga marched in protests for Ferguson

I feel like it was obvious that the tweet wouldn't apply to niggas like Cole or Kendrick because they've actually protested and/or have given back to their communities often...like how did this s*** REALLY even start!?

As for me bringing up black women and the issues they suffer from bit, I'm really more highlighting the complete terrible timing of it. It's like alright, say J Cole had originally recorded the track on June 4th or whenever Noname made her tweet...why you waiting like 2 or weeks later to respond? I would've hoped that in light of recent events, the nigga should've just left that s*** in the drafts.

Best way to put it, he ain't necessarily wrong with what he's saying. He's just late, and s*** has gotten much crazier in a two week span. Stay tight and focused on the tasks at hand. This infighting s*** is dumb.

Both Noname and J Cole are on the same page, they just on a different paragraph...that is if Jermaine really hasn't done the readings

Takotchi

6y

Okay the hilarious s*** about what you just said, in my mind, is that J Cole deadass got a degree and my nigga cant read to such an extent he may have misread Noname's tweet only to drop this song about his fee fees being hurt. Damnit

Smacked Voodoo

6y

Well...J Cole is a lightskin nigga, they do tend to be a lil sensitive sometimes

Smacked Voodoo

6y

So from a personal point of view, I really saw nothing wrong with Noname's tweet because it was a broad statement. I honestly have no f***in clue why Cole felt it applied to him, I don't know why anyone thought it applied to Cole to begin with. We KNOW what J Cole has done and said. The nigga marched in protests for Ferguson

I feel like it was obvious that the tweet wouldn't apply to niggas like Cole or Kendrick because they've actually protested and/or have given back to their communities often...like how did this s*** REALLY even start!?

As for me bringing up black women and the issues they suffer from bit, I'm really more highlighting the complete terrible timing of it. It's like alright, say J Cole had originally recorded the track on June 4th or whenever Noname made her tweet...why you waiting like 2 or weeks later to respond? I would've hoped that in light of recent events, the nigga should've just left that s*** in the drafts.

Best way to put it, he ain't necessarily wrong with what he's saying. He's just late, and s*** has gotten much crazier in a two week span. Stay tight and focused on the tasks at hand. This infighting s*** is dumb.

Both Noname and J Cole are on the same page, they just on a different paragraph...that is if Jermaine really hasn't done the readings

math fifty

6y

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Lamont

6y

Can you edit this and make it a better first post since this thread is a semi classic

DoubleO 5

6y

Is the Noname cape gonna change the fact most of her fanbase is white

Nonamee

6y

Ya'll niggas hated him before all this s*** anyway. Anything he would've said would've been hated on and he didn't even say anything crazy.