Wayne style of autotune was his own and important as was Pain ability to switch between natural singing and autotune.

But what they did with the tech vs what Ye made possible with the lyrics and packaging was different.

Wayne and Pain weren't pop,Wayne & Pain weren't tryna go for emotion 90% of the time and thats what I'm talking about.

and actually listen to it rather than looking at it and taking my word for it

you can literally hear what im talking about lmao

...lollipop isnt pop?

Slipknot and Disturbed

Incubus did it a bit too with Nu Netal tho they never were a full on nu metal band

I got a minute into that song and s*** sucks

there ain't no way this album title ain't a reference to ornette coleman either which makes me fw the band even more

Its a pop in the send of being a popular song and Hip Hop pop but its goal wasnt to compete with Britney Spears.

Which was Kanyes goal to compete in traditional pop sounds while singing about non pop topics as a rapper turned singer.

Don't conflate a popular song with the sound of pop

Bruuuuh Incubus was and still is my s***. I'll always have love for that band.

Pop rap

Brandon Boyd voice

so because lollipop isnt bubblegum white washed pop it isnt pop? what is goin on here bra?

what was lollipop for?

the streets?

That black widow movie looks like its gonna be hella boring

bruh i can tell from listening to this s*** tho that it had to have influenced mad ppl from the 2000s

why tf did that post three times nvm my s*** just f***in up

Whewww. This was back when you could come home from school and turn to MTV and they'd just have a block of music videos running

reup w kick

i hear no noise

S*** you might as well go in that party like

If this ain’t facts tho lmaooooo

Bruh they dropped that album and fell off the face of the earth for YEARS while other bands tried to run with this sound. Imagine making something fire, saying f*** it I quit, and while you gone you see niggas stealing your sauce lol

Thats not what I said dawg and 808s isnt that either. Your understand of pop is too limited for this convo tbh.

You always run for that statement so it seems this an empass

Definitely on my bucket list, so much cool stuff and beautiful scenery

would be so angry bro cause legit it seem like everybody copied this s*** but they did it better than everyone else who copied