Jan 4·1 reply
Oscar WinnerSo we comparing Chris to Leo?
No, we're comparing Michael Mann to Michael Mann. And I didn't say a bad word about the casting of Heat 2. Hope it's great
- Jan 4·1 replyBenny Boy
No, we're comparing Michael Mann to Michael Mann. And I didn't say a bad word about the casting of Heat 2. Hope it's great
But you’re nervous about the performances…
- Jan 4·1 replyOscar Winner
But you’re nervous about the performances…
No, I'm looking at Michael Mann's filmography and wondering if he can turn back the clock to Heat. Because he hasn't come anywhere close in a long time. And Heat is really, really good
As I said
- Jan 4
TheFaderEven if you believe that Mann hasn’t directed a great performance in 20 years, why are you worried about the performances in a film with a rumored cast of Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian Bale, Stephen Graham, Austin Butler, and more?
All of these guys are world-class actors
Jan 5·2 repliesBenny BoyNo, I'm looking at Michael Mann's filmography and wondering if he can turn back the clock to Heat. Because he hasn't come anywhere close in a long time. And Heat is really, really good
As I said
Miami Vice a classic
- Jan 5·edited
Penelope Cruz in Ferrari literally got a bunch of awards noms like just a couple years ago lmao
Imagine thinking Mann can’t still direct great performances. Miami Vice and Blackhat didn’t really demand elite performances. Just dudes lookin cool
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
Miami Vice a classic
Heat
Thief
The Insider
Collateral
Manhunter - Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
Heat
Thief
The Insider
Collateral
ManhunterI’d take Miami Vice over all of em besides Heat
I think his best films are Heat, Public Enemies and Miami Vice
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
I’d take Miami Vice over all of em besides Heat
I think his best films are Heat, Public Enemies and Miami Vice
Just watch Refn
- Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
Just watch Refn
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- Jan 5·2 repliesIridescent
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Miami Vice is so Refn that you've got to be joking
Jan 5IridescentMiami Vice a classic
- Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
Miami Vice is so Refn that you've got to be joking
Refn is a bad parody of Miami Vice
- Jan 5
trash thread on the low
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
Refn is a bad parody of Miami Vice
That's preference but they are objectively in continuity with one another
- Jan 5
Here's the most classic scene in Miami Vice
- Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
That's preference but they are objectively in continuity with one another
If you look at it from a surface level of approach sure
It’s like saying Spring Breakers is like Refn
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
If you look at it from a surface level of approach sure
It’s like saying Spring Breakers is like Refn
Brother it's Miami Vice (2006) and Refn from Drive onward. The surface is most of the thing!
- Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
Brother it's Miami Vice (2006) and Refn from Drive onward. The surface is most of the thing!
A huge aspect of Mann’s Miami Vice is the digital experimentation and while Refn is influenced by Mann, he’s far more into a slow cinema approach than Mann who ultimately is still doing very genre based fare. Refn films post Drive are closer to Fallen Angels than Miami Vice
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
A huge aspect of Mann’s Miami Vice is the digital experimentation and while Refn is influenced by Mann, he’s far more into a slow cinema approach than Mann who ultimately is still doing very genre based fare. Refn films post Drive are closer to Fallen Angels than Miami Vice
Saying Refn isn't a genre filmmaker is insane. His last show had vampires and psychics and gangsters and kung fu in it.
And yeah, Michael Mann likes digital. Refn likes slow cinema. They're both making music videos at the end of the day.
- Jan 5·1 reply
Mann is a studio filmmaker who understands the DNA of what makes a good studio film and used that to make an anti studio film with Miami Vice
Refn is an art house filmmaker using genre sensibilities from filmmakers like Tarantino and Mann to ultimately make slow cinema that was informed by arthouse asian filmmakers like Wong kar wai, Tsai Ming luang and Hou Hsaio-Hsien
It’s actually very different in approach
- Jan 5Benny Boy
Saying Refn isn't a genre filmmaker is insane. His last show had vampires and psychics and gangsters and kung fu in it.
And yeah, Michael Mann likes digital. Refn likes slow cinema. They're both making music videos at the end of the day.
His films are arthouse slow cinema first. The genre sensibilities are a feature, not the main component
Do you think Terence Malick, Eisenstein, Tarkovsky all make music videos too?
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
Mann is a studio filmmaker who understands the DNA of what makes a good studio film and used that to make an anti studio film with Miami Vice
Refn is an art house filmmaker using genre sensibilities from filmmakers like Tarantino and Mann to ultimately make slow cinema that was informed by arthouse asian filmmakers like Wong kar wai, Tsai Ming luang and Hou Hsaio-Hsien
It’s actually very different in approach
Mann made his name in television. Heat was a television movie the first time around. He was doing MTV needle drops. His first brush with the studio system was a botched film he disowned.
- Jan 5·1 replyBenny Boy
Mann made his name in television. Heat was a television movie the first time around. He was doing MTV needle drops. His first brush with the studio system was a botched film he disowned.
“His first brush with the studio system was a botched film he disowned”
Oh so he had a similar experience with studios as virtually every director ever
- Jan 5·1 replyIridescent
“His first brush with the studio system was a botched film he disowned”
Oh so he had a similar experience with studios as virtually every director ever
By honing his style with a cop procedural that catered to the MTV generation? No, I don't think so
