Is this a good thread to talk about midpoint derailment of a protagonist’s progress throughout a blockbuster story?

no, you’re supposed to hold onto that same judgment like the rest of the non mutants in the MCU until Charlie X rolls his ass in

Plus the whole “they killed ppl tho??” Is silly because you literally had Tony Stark, Loki, and Bucky cheered because of their redemption.

T’Challa was older than Jean & was about to kill Bucks + Zemo over his daddy as well as Klaw for something he did decades prior

Go on

I see what you saying ngl

Still best tom movie though

So within the duality of film storytelling, a protagonist has an internal purpose and an external goal. Their journey culminates in a synergy between their internal purpose and external goal through the other side of a challenging journey that changes them. The cycle of the protagonist journey goes from trial and failure to synergy and success.

Well, the failure happens right after the middle of the journey, when all the trails of improved competence in achieving the external goal and the struggle of the internal purpose come to destructive head.

For some context, the protagonist has symbols that represent the sides of their internal purpose and their external goal. In The Dark Knight, living a life with Rachel is symbol of the internal purpose to live as Bruce Wayne, and the belief in Harvey Dent is a symbol of his external goal to give Gotham the hero it needs. These are both symbols Bruce puts his faith in to fulfill his internal purpose and achieve his external goal.

In Into the Spider-Verse, Miles’ internal purpose is to be freely himself and do his own thing, his external goal is to become Spider-Man. His father Jefferson is a symbol of the great expectations that prevent him from fulfilling his purpose as his true self while his Uncle Aaron is a symbol of encouragement to fulfill that purpose. His journey of competence towards becoming Spider-Man crashes into the journey of his internal purpose when Uncle Aaron is killed in front of Miles after Miles reveals himself as Spider-Man, and his father Jefferson arrives to the scene just in time to witness a scene that looks like Spider-Man just murdered his brother. Bruce’s journey comes to a head when he loses Rachel and Harvey in one fell swoop, the two symbols he placed his hopes in.

Both protagonists are left in a place of complete failure, and must rectify the brewing conflicts of both their internal purpose and external goal in order to reach synergy.

There are more examples of this

This idea is why we care about the Titanic in relation to the journey of Rose and Jack. The death of Obi Wan in Star Wars is a great example

Love this, how you think Bruce/Jean/Frank as well as DeWolff hold up as symbols for Peter? Felt like they each represent different paths he could go on but I don’t see how to place internal purpose & external goal Pete could see in them

Only one I respect outta those is Bucky

Neat

This nigga Tony was using a child soilder till the very end/still was a gnarly war criminal

You know damn well the MCU is going to drop the ball on her redemption

I didn’t know Jean Grey alone encompassed the entire X-Men

Jean would be the ultimate antagonist like Kingpin and Joker. The constant challenge to the protagonist’s external goal, in this case, being Spider-Man without dealing with Peter Parker. Given this is a story where the protagonist is “wrong” in their goal, the antagonist pushes the protagonist towards learning that this is wrong

MJ would be the symbol of his goal that he can’t put his faith in, like Rachel

Think of Ned like the symbol of true synergy between Peter and Spider-Man, hence the final image being his remembrance of Peter

The promo they doing to get this movie to a billion domestic is incredible

Is Peter an ally but to naive to know the long term effects of his actions

Insane

Damage control was right to be cautious but pushing her sister to the point of death trying to see her powers max was unnecessary

Idk about yall but I really can’t wait for the IMAX release next week!!

Brand New Day still needs 78 million domestic to beat The Force Awakens. Can it do it? Also can it hit a billion?

Holland gon run Marvel pockets worse than RDJ…