Mozart

2y

"The effectiveness doesnt matter." Read that again and think about it for a second. You are saying the effectiveness doesnt matter?

If Palestine was gonna be wiped out in 10-15 years it's better they get wiped out in 2 years? Come on now.

Nobody has ever said this was an easy fight for them. It obviously isnt. But that doesnt mean "because nothing they do matters" any idea they come up is a good one or that the "will of the people" is going to work.

Swayzomad

2y

Firstly I wasn't talking about slavery when I said this, thought that it was obvious I was talking about the conflict but you went on to talk about slavery so maybe not...

Secondly this is still not comparable to what happened, when I say civilians I'm NOT talking about people who are complicit like the people you describe here, but rather people just living life peacefully.

From these statements it sounds like you think beneficiaries are fair game so I'll revise the question and ask again since you didn't answer the first time - Is killing civilians who are beneficiaries of a slave system but not complicit in creating or upholding adverse conditions for the slaves fair game?

teku izing

2y

Liberation does not come without bloodshed?

There are always civilians who will die when people liberate themselves

White Americans died in the civil war, many had there homes destroyed

Yes it is beneficiary but it’s also necessary.

You’re asking for revolution or something that requires revolution essentially for only military combatants to die

Fantasy s*** that doesn’t exist

And YOU weren’t talking about slavery but I was, but we don’t even have to go that far back because the struggles of oppressed people always come at the cost of “civilians” who uphold the status quo whether they know it or not. Compare Apartheid Israel to Apartheid South Africa or even Jim Crow America

There is a reason Black-Palestinian Liberation exists

Again, you don’t know what you are talking about.

This is a good video to get started

deleteduser579

2y

is someone going to tell me what they want the niggas that want their land back is supposed to do lol

i asked like 4-5 pages ago or so and no one has answered

eye contact

2y

I know exactly what u guys are trying to get at, and I’m
Saying you’re all wrong for thinking that way. We could excuse every egregious system in the world because it also affects bad people if that was the case

teku izing

2y

Liberation does not come without bloodshed?

There are always civilians who will die when people liberate themselves

White Americans died in the civil war, many had there homes destroyed

Yes it is beneficiary but it’s also necessary.

You’re asking for revolution or something that requires revolution essentially for only military combatants to die

Fantasy s*** that doesn’t exist

And YOU weren’t talking about slavery but I was, but we don’t even have to go that far back because the struggles of oppressed people always come at the cost of “civilians” who uphold the status quo whether they know it or not. Compare Apartheid Israel to Apartheid South Africa or even Jim Crow America

There is a reason Black-Palestinian Liberation exists

Again, you don’t know what you are talking about.

This is a good video to get started

teku izing

2y

The fact you can’t see the similarities outside of the surface level obvious differences shows you don’t really have as nuanced of a take on this as you think

@Swayzomad

Swayzomad

2y

Who are you guys? What am I trying to get at?

ryuH

2y

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Who cares what another h****sapien believes lol

If you believe anything other than modern humans being an advanced evolutionary off shoot of great apes who lived in wild hunter gatherer bands for hundreds of millennia until a few of them figured out how to farm you are fooling yourself no matter which imaginary belief system you choose

Swayzomad

2y

So you can't answer any question but expect me to engage with things unrelated to the discussion. Cool.

You sound very much like the people say "people die in war" but have a good day tho

eye contact

2y

“You guys” being those who think that they are somehow disconnected from this conflict, trying to get at a justification by somehow making it seem like there is no imbalance in injustice in this conflict

afterimage

2y

nothing they said was wrong lol

civilians dying is apart of war

Asking whether they should or not… is pointless. It happens regardless

Both sides doesn’t work here because the power imbalance means Israel always holds the advantage

what are you even talking about

Swayzomad

2y

It's not even true anyway, saying there are bad on both sides is not even a wild take

Swayzomad

2y

Another person quoting me based on things I never said, what's going on in this thread lol

afterimage

2y

literacy kicking your ass ain’t gon lie

It’ll be okay

Swayzomad

2y

Says the guy that said I asked about things I didn't ask about

afterimage

2y

Your position isn’t hard to see

I don’t think your acting in bad faith but also essentially critiquing “Hamas tactics” which is what I assume you mean by both sides

isn’t a very deep or insightful take outside of someone watching MSNBC

Unless you want to elaborate now?

afterimage

2y

I gave you the chance to elaborate on your “position” and you choose to cry about people putting words in your mouth and make smileys

so its clear you just want to argue semantics or the tactics of how people or posting and not actually say anything

all I needed to know

Swayzomad

2y

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Why didn't you simply ask?

Do you not critique their tactics?

Wasn't going for a deep or insightful take, it was only to share believing this doesn't support the idea he or anyone who believes this makes them a Zionist.

afterimage

2y

that is not a unique position and I already argued with users 10 pages ago that’s why

Why would I ask you for your take when I already guessed it?

afterimage

2y

Your position isn’t hard to see

I don’t think your acting in bad faith but also essentially critiquing “Hamas tactics” which is what I assume you mean by both sides

isn’t a very deep or insightful take outside of someone watching MSNBC

Unless you want to elaborate now?

MadMaximus

2y

I bet you're okay with killing kids as long as they aren't brown

hypocrite die