Mar 8, 2020·edited·3 repliesThis has been talked about for a while now. Little Brother rapped about the music industry monetizing black suffering, stereotypes, black on black violence, etc. on their classic album The Minstrel Show. Another great example of this tendency being satirized in media is Spike Lee's movie Bamboozled. Beats you over the head but it's got a lot of good points.
The idea is that the exaggerated, stereotypical aspects of the culture are easier to communicate to outsiders and are therefore more profitable. Those who wish to engage in the industry have to adhere to that process.
As media has become more visual and easier to access, more up and coming rappers feel the need to do irresponsible s*** to forward their careers and pretend to be something they're not. It puts the futures of young people in jeopardy and highlights the worst aspects of a culture and genre that previously battled its way out of an impossible situation to achieve something more.
Always seemed backwards to me that so many rappers aspire to be what the founders of rap used their music to overcome.
OPMar 8, 2020·1 replyAlso since we on the topic of Kanye, every time a relevant black celeb brings this stuff up, their own people turn on them and call them a coon, Uncle Tom, tap Dancer etc
- OPMar 8, 2020·1 replyNoir· edited
This has been talked about for a while now. Little Brother rapped about the music industry monetizing black suffering, stereotypes, black on black violence, etc. on their classic album The Minstrel Show. Another great example of this tendency being satirized in media is Spike Lee's movie Bamboozled. Beats you over the head but it's got a lot of good points.
The idea is that the exaggerated, stereotypical aspects of the culture are easier to communicate to outsiders and are therefore more profitable. Those who wish to engage in the industry have to adhere to that process.
As media has become more visual and easier to access, more up and coming rappers feel the need to do irresponsible s*** to forward their careers and pretend to be something they're not. It puts the futures of young people in jeopardy and highlights the worst aspects of a culture and genre that previously battled its way out of an impossible situation to achieve something more.
Always seemed backwards to me that so many rappers aspire to be what the founders of rap used their music to overcome.
Bamboozled is basically exactly what modern rap is imo
Mar 8, 2020Noir· editedThis has been talked about for a while now. Little Brother rapped about the music industry monetizing black suffering, stereotypes, black on black violence, etc. on their classic album The Minstrel Show. Another great example of this tendency being satirized in media is Spike Lee's movie Bamboozled. Beats you over the head but it's got a lot of good points.
The idea is that the exaggerated, stereotypical aspects of the culture are easier to communicate to outsiders and are therefore more profitable. Those who wish to engage in the industry have to adhere to that process.
As media has become more visual and easier to access, more up and coming rappers feel the need to do irresponsible s*** to forward their careers and pretend to be something they're not. It puts the futures of young people in jeopardy and highlights the worst aspects of a culture and genre that previously battled its way out of an impossible situation to achieve something more.
Always seemed backwards to me that so many rappers aspire to be what the founders of rap used their music to overcome.
Especially backwards when that energy comes back to bite you.
Rappers that was never even involved like that getting put into situations bc of the persona they put on- Mar 8, 2020Noir
This has been talked about for a while now. Little Brother rapped about the music industry monetizing black suffering, stereotypes, black on black violence, etc. on their classic album The Minstrel Show. Another great example of this tendency being satirized in media is Spike Lee's movie Bamboozled. Beats you over the head but it's got a lot of good points.
The idea is that the exaggerated, stereotypical aspects of the culture are easier to communicate to outsiders and are therefore more profitable. Those who wish to engage in the industry have to adhere to that process.
As media has become more visual and easier to access, more up and coming rappers feel the need to do irresponsible s*** to forward their careers and pretend to be something they're not. It puts the futures of young people in jeopardy and highlights the worst aspects of a culture and genre that previously battled its way out of an impossible situation to achieve something more.
Always seemed backwards to me that so many rappers aspire to be what the founders of rap used their music to overcome.
Dawg I forgot about the movie bamboozled wtf that just made everything much darker to me
Mar 8, 2020People always trynna compare things lmao. Rap is one of a kind. It will survive for a hundred plus years. Y’all don’t even realize it’s just getting started lmao. People forget rap at the core is simply the first genre based around prioritizing rhythm over melody in vocal delivery. It’s not just another genre of music that will fizz out. I could see hip hop in some form morphing and surviving for the rest of our lifetimes easily
- Mar 8, 2020·1 replySHAQUILLE
Ngl he is. But at the end of the day he sounds like 3 other niggas who make melodic street rap
and dipset sounded the same durin their prime but im sure you didnt have an issue with this
- OPMar 8, 2020
No one is saying hip hop is dead. We just saying it could be improved upon.
Mar 8, 2020·edited·1 replyThis is facts. The default for a lot of modern rap lyrics revovles around misogyny and violence /drug glorification.
I mean look at freaking Lil Tecca dude. Everyone knows that nigga doesn't have no damn"black or white" for anybody, and he damn well doesn't have any "twin glocks".
I'm not opposed to having exagerated/ignorant lyrics in music, but it's pretty lame when your music is clearly not coming from an authentic place.
- Mar 8, 2020·1 replyICEMANE
Also since we on the topic of Kanye, every time a relevant black celeb brings this stuff up, their own people turn on them and call them a coon, Uncle Tom, tap Dancer etc
This facts but I think what makes people step back from Kanye was the maga hat thing tbh
- OPMar 8, 2020Crack Palm Stepper
This facts but I think what makes people step back from Kanye was the maga hat thing tbh
Yea true I’m not QUITE against the MAGA hat I just think he didn’t put his thoughts to paper yet when he did that
- Mar 8, 2020·1 replyICEMANE
Bamboozled is basically exactly what modern rap is imo
I saw that film in college and it changed the way I see the music industry.
Look, I don't want to come across as preachy in this thread or tell anyone how to handle their careers. I'm a white man and I know there are a lot of young black men on this site trying to get over with their music. You have your own thing going on and need to make it work.
But man, you've got to be aware of how these mechanisms are working against you and what your worth is to executives, managers, producers, etc. When rap wasn't the biggest genre in America, your story used to be everything. The Message, The Infamous, Illmatic, this s*** blew suburban minds because a lot of those white kids had no idea. Everything seemed alright to them.
Then the record companies tapped into that. Now what matters most is how your story could fit into a broader narrative about blacks. Rappers are a currency.
- Mar 8, 2020Durkio World
and dipset sounded the same durin their prime but im sure you didnt have an issue with this
Quando rondo didn’t make a come home with me or what the games been missing
- OPMar 8, 2020·1 replyNoir
I saw that film in college and it changed the way I see the music industry.
Look, I don't want to come across as preachy in this thread or tell anyone how to handle their careers. I'm a white man and I know there are a lot of young black men on this site trying to get over with their music. You have your own thing going on and need to make it work.
But man, you've got to be aware of how these mechanisms are working against you and what your worth is to executives, managers, producers, etc. When rap wasn't the biggest genre in America, your story used to be everything. The Message, The Infamous, Illmatic, this s*** blew suburban minds because a lot of those white kids had no idea. Everything seemed alright to them.
Then the record companies tapped into that. Now what matters most is how your story could fit into a broader narrative about blacks. Rappers are a currency.
Facts. I’m in the entertainment industry myself as a career and it’s like some kind of sick joke how black men (and women) are portrayed/used in basically all media representations in the modern day.
Mar 8, 2020tajer· editedThis is facts. The default for a lot of modern rap lyrics revovles around misogyny and violence /drug glorification.
I mean look at freaking Lil Tecca dude. Everyone knows that nigga doesn't have no damn"black or white" for anybody, and he damn well doesn't have any "twin glocks".
I'm not opposed to having exagerated/ignorant lyrics in music, but it's pretty lame when your music is clearly not coming from an authentic place.
Mar 8, 2020Bless
Mar 8, 2020·2 repliesi feel we are heading into our post punk era for rap sorta how punk was in 76-77
because i always hear trap = punk
this is already exists with stuff like veteran or die lit era sorta has this sound coming along
- OPMar 8, 2020·2 repliesEuroNymous
i feel we are heading into our post punk era for rap sorta how punk was in 76-77
because i always hear trap = punk
this is already exists with stuff like veteran or die lit era sorta has this sound coming along
You know what’s crazy?
When punk rock was first created it was for the rejects of society. Grimes ass music about grimes ass (negative) s***
Now the most popular punk acts are making songs with positive, introspective, satirical lyrics, poking fun at modern day negativity of the music scene. Example:
So what does it tell you if punk music, a brand founded in negativity and being the alternative culture, is now about positivity and self empowerment, what does that say bout the mainstream music scene?
- Mar 8, 2020EuroNymous
i feel we are heading into our post punk era for rap sorta how punk was in 76-77
because i always hear trap = punk
this is already exists with stuff like veteran or die lit era sorta has this sound coming along
Yeah the cheap tech is there to make really high quality beats at home and do your own thing without industry intervention. Very fertile ground for a more punk approach to a great genre that's getting weighed down with commercial concerns.
- Mar 8, 2020ICEMANE
You know what’s crazy?
When punk rock was first created it was for the rejects of society. Grimes ass music about grimes ass (negative) s***
Now the most popular punk acts are making songs with positive, introspective, satirical lyrics, poking fun at modern day negativity of the music scene. Example:
!https://youtu.be/W2bc25X0E68So what does it tell you if punk music, a brand founded in negativity and being the alternative culture, is now about positivity and self empowerment, what does that say bout the mainstream music scene?
It tells you that suffering and depression can be monetized. We're seeing that with the mainstream demand for xanny depression raps and the horrifying collapse of soundcloud rap. Even in rock, grunge, post-grunge and nu-metal had its day. There was a misery gold rush then and we are in one now.
People don't want to be happy all the time and they don't want to be sad all the time, but we go through mainstream trends that shift the underground and vice versa.
Mar 8, 2020
- Mar 8, 2020afterimage
Are you white?
If so, I don't want to have this discussion
- Mar 8, 2020·1 replyICEMANE
And going outside of the realm of just hiphop, how come whenever an artist makes positive uplifting upbeat music (Kanye, Chance, Bieber, etc.) they get called gimmicky or corny in comparison to dudes who make songs about let’s say something like d*** abuse then literally die from d*** abuse
because them niggas sound like ass
- OPMar 8, 2020·1 replymath fifty
because them niggas sound like ass
Gee great discussion
- Mar 8, 2020·1 replySHAQUILLE
Let’s talk about why people call someone like Cudi white people music but praise generic trash like quando rondo
of all the garbage ass niggas you coulda chose you said rondo
never seen a nigga fumble a post so badly
