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  • Dec 29, 2021
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    yungking

    I put the title that way because I knew people wouldn’t want to have an actual discussion about this.

    Crime existed before music yes of course, I’m pointing out the glorification of being in streets that is pushed in the music.

    Expressing yourself in art isn’t a bad thing at all but when you use it to incite violence, their has to be a line somewhere before it gets out of hand.

    you got ethered so please delete this dumbass thread and delete your dumbass account you f***ing moron

  • Dec 29, 2021
    chibuye

    Nah fam, own your words. It's not "obviously the government has been the driving force that kept the community in this cycle", it's "let's be real, street rap ruined the black community". Man up and own your s***, if you wanna switch your stance now, admit you were wrong.

    Also do your f***ing research.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7gm3d/drill-research-paper-british-journal-of-criminology

    "Working through several UK trials and drawing from a range of song lyrics and references, the paper concludes that criminalising UK drill places a roadblock in front of potential career prospects and improved socio-economic outcomes for the communities most affected by the violence the government is trying to eradicate."

    A stance like yours ignores all the good that comes from making music, all the innovation, healthy competition, and emotional outlets.

    The violence was already there to begin with, wayyyyy before the music. This has been a fact in Chicago Drill, NY Rap, UK Drill. The violence existed before the music. This isn't a who came first the chicken or the egg debate. This one has been cut and dry since the dawn of time.

    That black people turned and continue to turn injustice and these evil situations into art is something that should be commended. Yes, maybe some guidance would be necessary for these kids but it's not something that should ever be condemned. Especially not from another black man.

  • Dec 29, 2021

    It defintely made thing worse

    Theres literally no argument against that statement

  • Dec 29, 2021

    Drill rap isnt making dangerous places worse, its destabilizing relatively safe black communities

  • Dec 29, 2021
    earthwalka

    Nope nope we not doing this thread

  • Dec 29, 2021

    drill aint a genre, leave it to the music sxn to make it so, drill is a lifestyle

    thats why yall dont like it, ktt intolerable to anylife they not living

  • Dec 29, 2021
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    Although I don't think the premise of this thread - which is that music is the cause of violence on the streets - has much merit.

    I do think there's some obvious truth to this:

    And I know they’ll be people that will say “DOnT BLamE tHe ARt” but that doesn’t apply anymore in this era, black men are legit dying off diss records cuz each side wanted to get more disrespectful.

    But this has more to do with the fact that making music has become more accessible than ever, all you really need is FL. And (not to sound like a dusthead because I listen to it myself, but let's be real) combine that with the standards for technical skills in rap being lower than before, so if you're from the streets there's no real barrier to entry to make music like there was before. Add to that a culture of (mostly suburban middle class white kids) living through artists who portray and more often now actually living the street life (shoutout DJ Akademiks and r/Chiraqology), you have a feedback loop which encourages this violent behavior as @op said. And now you even have drill rappers in the Netherlands getting killed for disses on songs, as funny as that probably sounds to some people on this site.

    But I wouldn't say that the music is something separate which causes this, I think in a very real sense the streets merged with music and these diss songs are now just another medium for street POLITRICKS.

  • Dec 29, 2021
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    Nah, lack of two parent households ruined the black community.

  • Dec 29, 2021
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    AP3

    Nah, lack of two parent households ruined the black community.

    If you remove race and income, single parent households are the most common predictor of future incarceration

  • Dec 29, 2021
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    VeggieKubernetes

    If you remove race and income, single parent households are the most common predictor of future incarceration

    It was government assistance that started it. That was first attack on the black man, our community was doing good in the 60s. Most black women replaced black men because they didn’t need help financially from a man. Then it was a snowball effect with the Ronald Regan era in the 80s.

  • AP3

    It was government assistance that started it. That was first attack on the black man, our community was doing good in the 60s. Most black women replaced black men because they didn’t need help financially from a man. Then it was a snowball effect with the Ronald Regan era in the 80s.

  • Dec 29, 2021

    Idk, I just imagine guys in suits safe in a high rise somewhere deciding that a song about shooting a black mans hair off is exactly what they’re looking for. But then the same rapper gets shot in real life, and they probably just turn the other way.

    I’m not saying the music causes violence, but i think it could play a part in perpetuating it. or maybe I’m getting old.

  • Dec 29, 2021
    So Illegal

    Niggas in the 70s and 80s were 13-17 years old making millions dealing d**** and slaughtering each other before street rap was ever a thing

    The music reflects the material conditions you gotta start there

    And crime overall back then was way higher

  • Dec 29, 2021

    The poor material conditions afflicting large swathes of the black community have been systematically reinforced by social and economic decision making from all levels of government since the inception of the country so thats the main cause of the continuing struggle we face in the year 2021, as many people have said itt already.

    However looking within the confines of the black community street rap is something that definitely propagates, glorifies and reinforces some of the psychological negativity that comes from those poor conditions. I think its a very powerful soft companion to hard economic instability in the way that it promotes certain lifestyles that are antithetical to stability within the community, specifically fiscal competition(having more/the most money) vs fiscal cooperation and toxic behavior towards women.

    Overall although the scale of the influence is definitely debatable it can't be ignored the power of subtly wrapping negativity in the form of entertainment could hold on a community thats been embattled from all sides for hundreds of years.

  • Dec 29, 2021

    i can’t disagree with this tbh

  • Dec 29, 2021
    UIP

    the sad thing is i bet a solid amount of likes on this post didn’t realize you’re joking

    we figured op would put it together but here we are 9 pages of them ignoring the point

  • Dec 29, 2021

    Been around since Gangsta Rap back in the days.

  • Dec 29, 2021

    some of yall itt

  • Dec 29, 2021

    I think there’s a lot of nuance to these conversations but people are operating on extremes in their opinions especially considering the amount of emotions a topic like this can bring

  • Dec 29, 2021

    Bill O Riley Fox News ass thread

  • Dec 29, 2021
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    AP3

    It was government assistance that started it. That was first attack on the black man, our community was doing good in the 60s. Most black women replaced black men because they didn’t need help financially from a man. Then it was a snowball effect with the Ronald Regan era in the 80s.

    Where do yall get this s***

  • Dec 29, 2021

    a lot will say “oh, it’s always been like this…” but i can recall that era from 2009 to 2014 where street rap was an afterthought…it seemed like things were headed towards a more positive, pesudo conscious route…

    so the fact that street rap has made the resurgence it did, especially in such an aggression form with the drill music and the explicit use of hard d**** is what makes it an issue

  • Dec 29, 2021

    No that's stupid

  • Dec 29, 2021

    It’s more than one singular thing and rarely as simple as removing that one thing to solve the problem, but it is a large part of it, yeah.

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