Just the name Landlord is f***ed in and of itself, s*** sounds medieval

We’re divided by our ruthless system. I know Capitalism is essentially messed up at its core f***ed, but there’s literally no changing that.

And I’m not about to let my family starve just because of my beliefs. It’s easy to say fk the system when you’re the only mouth to feed. You gotta do what you can with what you have.

You can figure out a way to house people (which we already do plenty of) without being a moron who says “landlords are evil” and pretending people shouldn’t own homes lmao

If he can only afford the basement isn't giving him the option and something he can afford good for him? Generally speaking I'd think that the competition would drive down prices to at least somewhat affordable levels, their entire business model is based on charging monthly so they'd need people to be able to pay for a long time. Outside of upscale locations, rent isn't all that expensive in a lot of spots. In prime locations where people are willing to pay more then yea it is but there's always the option to get one in a s***ty spot. If you can't afford a spot to rent there's government owned affordable housing.
If land and shelter should be a right, how would they even go about it? Has any country provided free shelter and housing?

nutzo thread done going through it all. that back and forth with the bullet points was hard to keep track of, At the core OP has a very very very positive and optimistic view of human nature, which i think this entire conversation is based in. to even think about this idea you have to break down all current ways of life and living and start from scratch. that begins with how humans would interact if they were the true and direct ones running their own communities. hard to say how it would all pan out. but at the end of the day i don’t disagree. i understand there’s a lot to think about and issues that may arise, but the idea of a landlord is inherently a bit twisted

I agree that the concept of landlords is an evil one, though I don’t necessary agree that automatically makes all landlords evil parasites, but that’s more of a moral argument I don’t want to get into.

But I would like to know how the abolishment of landlords would work. If somebody currently is not a landlord but owns two houses, he lives in one and the other one is simply at the beach in case he wants to go and chill there. What happens to the beach house?

First poli sci class I ever took professor had us raise our hands if we had a positive or negative view of human nature, p much was the only one who raised it for positive. So I know typically how these convos are gonna go, but some ppl do end up agreeing

Because it is

are you a PS major? if that’s not too personal.

totally not on the topic, but i think more than AP Gov or AP politics, i think at the very least the history of US politics should be taught all throughout ones K-12 schooling, maybe starting in middle school or high school. on top of a world history class.

Yeah I am

You’re all really in here discussing ownership and personal finances with a guy who lives off of his family and student loans

@Electric move my thread back

You are missing the point. There shouldn't be this idea of, he can only afford the basement, so I, the benevolent landlord am doing him such a great service. You are preying on someones need to have shelter. I mean, look at your solutions - rent in a s***ty spot, or go to s***ty government housing. Housing shouldn't be based on what one can afford, it should be based in the idea that you are a human being, you are provided with shelter.

And it wouldn't be that difficult. You have a house currently? Great its your house. Own multiple houses? pick one. Renting a house currently? Its yours. Paying a mortgage? Its yours. If you don't have a house, well we'll build social housing units for you and others in your situation. Abolishing landlords means also abolishing the system that enables them.

,this is what you are defending when you defend this system

But my question is why should shelter be free? If you were willing to build it on unused land I could see it,
And just giving the shelter everyone currently uses to them would be terrible for people who invested into land to rent out the property. My friend bought a house and he chose to rent out the downstairs, why would that family that Renta it be entitled to that half of the house after my friend payed a lot of money into the house and then more time and money into renovating it? How would property taxes work?
If everyone was to be given shelter what would the quality of the shelter be? Does it need running water, AC, electric ECT because primitive shelter can be made by anyone if they just choose to, how would this project be funded and maintained?
Is your idea a basic standard of living shelter given to anyone with the option to buy more houses/bigger spaces if you choose to? How do you determine who gets the prime real estate locations or are they only given in undesirable spots?

Why should shelter be free? because the right to a place to live is a basic human right and a necessity to truly live. And idc, under what im proposing your friend could choose to go live in a different space, that family would be given a house suitable to their needs. like ive said plenty, in the time period before the abolishment of wage labor, the government could fund social housing projects and every home in the country would be inspected to make sure its up to code.

there will be no real estate market because housing will no longer be a commodity that is bought and sold.

I have a feeling Synopsis is actually a self made baller and you guys got it all wrong.

That's assuming, of course, that he isn't an AI.

People didn’t have housing millennia ago

Edit: since this is a stupid comment without context I mean, *modern housing. What is defined as “suitable to their needs”? Does that change in 300 years when things are different?

are you asking me to think 300 years in the future

Nah, no need to take it like that. Do people get “extra land” in case they want/need more space? If we invent something like the microwave, do people apply to get that added to their housing unit, etc. that’s what I was trying to get at.

Oh, I mean thats a good question obvs. I think thats something thats hard to tell. Like, what would happen to family sizes with improved material conditions? would people have less children or more children? So its hard to answer.

As for the second yeah, I think so, depending on the good. if its like, a TV, you could still get it from a store, if its more essential like a washing machine or something, you could apply for it or just pick it up in a store.

Yes

This is not how money works :)