Jul 4, 2020·edited·1 reply
SynopsisYou didnt address it. Tell me why you would implement baby proofing in a house. Baby proofing is a need to you ?
1. Baby proofing could be seen as a need because it maximizes the safety of your child. But this is why I'm also in favor of a baby kit being sent to all expectant parents
2. You. Cannot. Live. In. Two. Places. At. Once. My point being that if you could somehow find someone who would pay you to live in your house alongside you in a society where everyone has a home then more power to ya. But, you cannot rent out what you do not own. If you say "hey I found a partner I'm going to go live with, so I'm moving out of this place. Want to rent it?" That would not work because you are going to live with your partner. You can't live in place A and B at the same time thus you cannot own places A and B. If you respond with "yes I can" then this conversation is over because it will just represent yet again that you are trying to impose the rules of today on what I am proposing, where home ownership is based on you living in a place, which you cannot do if you live somewhere else.
4. The community isnt represented by elected officials. Its represented by the community. Yes, land that can be used for the good of the community is owned by the community. Your house and yard are your personal property. The 40 acres around your house are not.
5. Do they share ownership of the farm?
1. Baby proofing is a luxury by definition "an inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain". Just like a pool, furniture, tv, a bedroom for every resident, etc.
2. So ur not even reading what I'm writing. I'm not imposing nothing, I literally quote ur own words that said as long as it looks like I'm still residing then it's fine. Like what r u saying now
4.
You said this."The community isnt represented by elected officials"
And also said this.
"boards of community members selected democratically or perhaps the entire community participating in direct democracy in accordance with the constitutional laws of the new society"
It's like ur forgetting ur own words, and then wonder why I'm confused lol.
5. No they dont
- OPJul 4, 2020·1 replyOblivion X
1. Baby proofing is a luxury by definition "an inessential, desirable item which is expensive or difficult to obtain". Just like a pool, furniture, tv, a bedroom for every resident, etc.
2. So ur not even reading what I'm writing. I'm not imposing nothing, I literally quote ur own words that said as long as it looks like I'm still residing then it's fine. Like what r u saying now
4.
You said this."The community isnt represented by elected officials"
And also said this.
"boards of community members selected democratically or perhaps the entire community participating in direct democracy in accordance with the constitutional laws of the new society"
It's like ur forgetting ur own words, and then wonder why I'm confused lol.
5. No they dont
1. Baby proofing is not difficult to obtain lol if that's the definition you're going with
2. I would like to know how you can appear to be residing at one place while residing at another. You either live in a place or dont.
3. Yes, and if they go the route of the community board members who do you think they are responsible to? The community. Which is why I'd preferably opt for direct democracy anyway
4. Then yes its exploitative
- Jul 4, 2020Synopsis
1. Baby proofing is not difficult to obtain lol if that's the definition you're going with
2. I would like to know how you can appear to be residing at one place while residing at another. You either live in a place or dont.
3. Yes, and if they go the route of the community board members who do you think they are responsible to? The community. Which is why I'd preferably opt for direct democracy anyway
4. Then yes its exploitative
1. Neither is anything else I listed.
2. All my of belongings are still in my house, the same way people who use their homes for Airbnb's still live there while renting their house out.
3. Abuse of power can easily slip into that, are politicians not also responsible for the people. But if you're are going direct democracy there u go.
4. This includes the fact that they can't actively work on farm right ?
Jul 4, 2020·1 replySynopsisYes when our old landlord told us to piss outside rather than fix our plumbing we certainly benefited. No, these people are parasites leeching off the labor of others.
If that happened to you I’m sorry you had a s***ty landlord and I hope you spread the word on them, and also hope you looked into your legal protections against them because most states afford tenants a lot more power than the landlords. However, I’ve dealt with a handful of landlords in my time and none ever told me to piss outside, I have a feeling your experience is an outlier and not the norm. You’re a smart dude, anecdotal evidence to trash an entire group of people is goofy.
- OPJul 5, 2020·1 replyTheory
If that happened to you I’m sorry you had a s***ty landlord and I hope you spread the word on them, and also hope you looked into your legal protections against them because most states afford tenants a lot more power than the landlords. However, I’ve dealt with a handful of landlords in my time and none ever told me to piss outside, I have a feeling your experience is an outlier and not the norm. You’re a smart dude, anecdotal evidence to trash an entire group of people is goofy.
I'm trashing them because their very nature is that of a parasite
Jul 5, 2020damn thread did numbers
Jul 5, 2020·1 replyBefore even bringing up this argument. You should ask yourself, who is to decide what is evil and what’s good?
- Jul 5, 2020Jozu
Before even bringing up this argument. You should ask yourself, who is to decide what is evil and what’s good?
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
I'm trashing them because their very nature is that of a parasite
Most parasites don’t give you land to live on and fix any problems you have lmao
- OPJul 5, 2020·2 repliesTheory
Most parasites don’t give you land to live on and fix any problems you have lmao
They dont fix any problem.you have lol
And if landlords didnt exist the land would still be there
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
They dont fix any problem.you have lol
And if landlords didnt exist the land would still be there
But we live in a system that requires you to buy that land, if the landlords didn’t exist the citizens would have to band together to buy it. And before you say that would be better, they can do that currently in America and don’t for a reason
And maybe yours have not fixed any problem at all but generally they address your concerns. I’ve had 3 landlords and never had a significant issue go completely unresolved.
- OPJul 5, 2020·1 replyTheory
But we live in a system that requires you to buy that land, if the landlords didn’t exist the citizens would have to band together to buy it. And before you say that would be better, they can do that currently in America and don’t for a reason
And maybe yours have not fixed any problem at all but generally they address your concerns. I’ve had 3 landlords and never had a significant issue go completely unresolved.
Or we could move in a direction where buying land isnt a thing
Jul 5, 2020·edited·1 replytell me about it, my landlord offered to raise the rent $200 just because she wanted to repaint and retile the whole apartment
we didn’t even need the job done and she claimed she was paying for it so we’d said f*** it
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Or we could move in a direction where buying land isnt a thing
Cool, let’s suggest that. But we aren’t in that system yet, and your beef with landlords only makes sense if we were in that system
- Jul 5, 2020mrunusual· edited
tell me about it, my landlord offered to raise the rent $200 just because she wanted to repaint and retile the whole apartment
we didn’t even need the job done and she claimed she was paying for it so we’d said f*** it
Capital improvements
- OPJul 5, 2020·1 replyTheory
Cool, let’s suggest that. But we aren’t in that system yet, and your beef with landlords only makes sense if we were in that system
This makes no sense lol. Landlords are s***ty and a terrible concept in this current system. They cease to exist in a different one. Thered be nothing to have a beef with
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
This makes no sense lol. Landlords are s***ty and a terrible concept in this current system. They cease to exist in a different one. Thered be nothing to have a beef with
Lmao ok.
So, you’re mad because landlords charge people to have shelter?
Meanwhile if landlords didn’t exist, these same people would have to have more income and savings to gain shelter, as well as deciding to stay in one specific spot for years on end to keep that shelter.
And your response to that is “shelter shouldn’t cost money”.
But shelter does cost money. If shelter cost no money, landlords would have no reason to exist.
Because we live in a world where shelter does cost money, landlords give people a way to buy temporary shelter for less money and devotion than permanent shelter would cost them. They buy large amounts of land and instead of building a single house, they build a complex with multiple housing units.
Tenants could buy the land themselves at a higher rate monthly, with a higher down payment, have no security (gated parking/security cameras), and have less mobility. Or they could pay somebody who does all of that for them for less than they would have paid the banks for the mortgage.
Your entire argument hinges on “land being sold is evil, therefore landlords evil” as if landlords are the reason land is sold. Landlords could cease to exist tomorrow, and all you’d have to show for it is less mobility and higher mortgages
Jul 5, 2020it reminds me of ticketmaster
they buy up a product (in this case an essential product) and sell it at jacked up prices because they f***ing can because they got more money than the rest of us. it provides no benefit to society. just middlemen that do nothing but leech people's money
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
I agree ppl shouldn't be charged for either
But farmers are being directly compensated for their labor at least
Landlords aren't doing any labor
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So you think the only fair way for people to make money is due to consequence of their labor?
Money = time and labor
It is impossible for you to make money without time and labor. That time and labor may not be yours, but just bc it is not your time and labor does not mean that you do not deserve the money.
You can be born into a rich family and never have to work a labor job your entire life bc the money they give you enables you to make more money without having any labor yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that because eventually everyone will have enough money to where no one will have to work labor jobs unless they want to
- OPJul 5, 2020·1 replyTheory
Lmao ok.
So, you’re mad because landlords charge people to have shelter?
Meanwhile if landlords didn’t exist, these same people would have to have more income and savings to gain shelter, as well as deciding to stay in one specific spot for years on end to keep that shelter.
And your response to that is “shelter shouldn’t cost money”.
But shelter does cost money. If shelter cost no money, landlords would have no reason to exist.
Because we live in a world where shelter does cost money, landlords give people a way to buy temporary shelter for less money and devotion than permanent shelter would cost them. They buy large amounts of land and instead of building a single house, they build a complex with multiple housing units.
Tenants could buy the land themselves at a higher rate monthly, with a higher down payment, have no security (gated parking/security cameras), and have less mobility. Or they could pay somebody who does all of that for them for less than they would have paid the banks for the mortgage.
Your entire argument hinges on “land being sold is evil, therefore landlords evil” as if landlords are the reason land is sold. Landlords could cease to exist tomorrow, and all you’d have to show for it is less mobility and higher mortgages
This post is dumb because the whole idea is to abolish landlords and replace them with a system where shelter isn't tied to money
- Jul 5, 2020Oblivion X
So an anecdote
synopsis mad he had to pee outside so instead of better regulation and wealth distribution we gotta be socialist or were stupid - Jul 5, 2020·1 reply
DVLPR@op what should I do with my inheritance? One is a house and the other is empty land.
Give it to the govt they'll certainly do something altruistic with it
- OPJul 5, 2020·2 repliesKalamariFromParty
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So you think the only fair way for people to make money is due to consequence of their labor?
Money = time and labor
It is impossible for you to make money without time and labor. That time and labor may not be yours, but just bc it is not your time and labor does not mean that you do not deserve the money.
You can be born into a rich family and never have to work a labor job your entire life bc the money they give you enables you to make more money without having any labor yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that because eventually everyone will have enough money to where no one will have to work labor jobs unless they want to
Yeah there is something wrong with that. There should be a 100% inheritance tax as well until capitalism is abolished
- Jul 5, 2020Synopsis
They dont fix any problem.you have lol
And if landlords didnt exist the land would still be there
Since this theory is based on anecdotes I'd like to say my landlord rocks. Finishes any maintenance within 2-3 days, willing to work with us through the pandemic, charges a fair rate and I can leave whenever I want with no fees/hassles
- Jul 5, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Yeah there is something wrong with that. There should be a 100% inheritance tax as well until capitalism is abolished
Why is there something wrong with making money from someone else's time and labor if they agree to work for you? The work is consented and agreed upon by both parties