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    HaroldsChicken

    no what Pete is doing is clear what aboutism

    it would only be relevant if Ye did or said something at this show that was represenative of his past which he didnt.

    uh ok that doesnt have anything to do with what u were replying to tho

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    triqúe damone

    "Morality is relative" ass nigga

    I mean of course there are good and evil actions but judging an entire human being as good or evil is too simplistic for me

  • andre jaceet

    did jordan peterson posess you for this post im confused

    I have felt this way my entire life....

  • andre jaceet

    uh ok that doesnt have anything to do with what u were replying to tho

    the thread topic is that.

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    HaroldsChicken

    I mean of course there are good and evil actions but judging an entire human being as good or evil is too simplistic for me

    is hitler evil

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    People bringing up what ye did in the past 10 years has nothing to do with what he is doing now

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    andre jaceet

    is hitler evil

    surely i can see it. But then I follow the rule of based on the geneva conventions many modern day leaders and presidents are 'evil' and should be hanged. But society never conclusively agrees on who is evil. who is evil to someone is good to another.

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    Obama good to my grandma
    but evil to the middle east

    that is what I am getting at there is never a universal agreed upon evil. It just depends how they interact with your expectations and what you want the world to be .

  • HaroldsChicken

    People bringing up what ye did in the past 10 years has nothing to do with what he is doing now

    u dont get to spend 6 months throwing grenades at people and just walk out the room for a day and not expect people to talk about the grenade you threw and let you back in their home this is so dumb lol

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    HaroldsChicken

    surely i can see it. But then I follow the rule of based on the geneva conventions many modern day leaders and presidents are 'evil' and should be hanged. But society never conclusively agrees on who is evil. who is evil to someone is good to another.

    so is he evil yes or no

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    andre jaceet

    so is he evil yes or no

    Hitler ? I start the post with surely I can see it.

    what is unclear about that thats a yes

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    HaroldsChicken

    Hitler ? I start the post with surely I can see it.

    what is unclear about that thats a yes

    ok so people can be evil then? since hitler is evil?

  • Yall still going at it

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    HaroldsChicken

    Obama good to my grandma
    but evil to the middle east

    that is what I am getting at there is never a universal agreed upon evil. It just depends how they interact with your expectations and what you want the world to be .

    yea im not a moral realist either but i can still make moral claims and see bad s*** as bad as long as i substantiate the bad s*** was bad and that the person has been doing bad stuff for a while

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    andre jaceet

    ok so people can be evil then? since hitler is evil?

    the point there is EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

    same way you can say someone is the goat it doesnt make it true

    its subjective it comes from the perspective of the gun you are on

    Israel is evil to some but is the saviors of the middle east to others

    whether you think someone is evil or not , a nation, a group of people it doesn't really change much of anything.

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    andre jaceet

    yea im not a moral realist either but i can still make moral claims and see bad s*** as bad as long as i substantiate the bad s*** was bad and that the person has been doing bad stuff for a while

    What do you gain from calling something good or evil? Vs moving in love or doing good actions in your reality?

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    HaroldsChicken

    the point there is EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

    same way you can say someone is the goat it doesnt make it true

    its subjective it comes from the perspective of the gun you are on

    Israel is evil to some but is the saviors of the middle east to others

    whether you think someone is evil or not , a nation, a group of people it doesn't really change much of anything.

    thats not an excuse. Im not a moral realist either. But i can say yes this thing is evil this trhing is not and if someone disagrees they are wrong by any reasonable moral framework. It shouldnt be something we tolerate nor endorse societally because it hurts the world and weve seen it hurt the world. the peopel whos ay israel is the savior of the middle east have corrupted bad morals. Thats not a response to someone saying someone did f***ed up s*** and is evil. You would have to say how they arent and if its not a reasonable moral standard look reasonably crazy to people who care about other' people's well being.

  • I dont gain anything from calling things good or evil personally so thats never been my focus in life. I have written essays but when I write them or give speeches my call to action isnt you should think this is good or evil too. Its laying out how I reached a conclusion of how something evoked an emotion. Not sitting in anything daily and saying "THIS IS EVIL WHY DONT YOU AGREE THIS IS EVIL"

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    andre jaceet

    thats not an excuse. Im not a moral realist either. But i can say yes this thing is evil this trhing is not and if someone disagrees they are wrong by any reasonable moral framework. It shouldnt be something we tolerate nor endorse societally because it hurts the world and weve seen it hurt the world. the peopel whos ay israel is the savior of the middle east have corrupted bad morals. Thats not a response to someone saying someone did f***ed up s*** and is evil. You would have to say how they arent and if its not a reasonable moral standard look reasonably crazy to people who care about other' people's well being.

    There are serial killers, rapist, war criminals and so many other things. Billionaire music artist never have been the most pressing thing in my life . When I disagree with a celebrity I move on they are not a politican who has much more bearing over my life. Even then I recongnize you cant always magically change the world by voting or speaking out. I have always cared most about direct action to each their own. the moral superiority and lecturing angle is often some of the worst parts of religion. Telling others how they should operate their free will.

  • but again you are 22 . I have again met whole killers I disagreed with in Chicago at that age

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    HaroldsChicken

    What do you gain from calling something good or evil? Vs moving in love or doing good actions in your reality?

    "moving in love" requires discernment you need to be able to call things bad to call thigns good otherwise there are no good or bad things if you just brand everything as morally permissable you create a system that allows evil to thrive and face no pushback and in which people defend it. For example, to move in love in america would be to pull every billionare out their home and boom them, it would be moving in love to throw a pipe bomb into a room with the entire trump cabinet in it, etc.

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    andre jaceet

    "moving in love" requires discernment you need to be able to call things bad to call thigns good otherwise there are no good or bad things if you just brand everything as morally permissable you create a system that allows evil to thrive and face no pushback and in which people defend it. For example, to move in love in america would be to pull every billionare out their home and boom them, it would be moving in love to throw a pipe bomb into a room with the entire trump cabinet in it, etc.

    Chief Keef was saying he was going to raise the murder rate in my city while I was helping form a non violence movement that lead to gun violence awareness day. Chief Keef wasnt my target nor did I hugely disparage him. I just focused on the cause and recongnized he was rapping about his reality. That his horrors are his horrors thats how he expressed.

    I didnt view him as evil then and I still dont.

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    HaroldsChicken

    There are serial killers, rapist, war criminals and so many other things. Billionaire music artist never have been the most pressing thing in my life . When I disagree with a celebrity I move on they are not a politican who has much more bearing over my life. Even then I recongnize you cant always magically change the world by voting or speaking out. I have always cared most about direct action to each their own. the moral superiority and lecturing angle is often some of the worst parts of religion. Telling others how they should operate their free will.

    you dont just move on tho ur actively putting effort into silencing and dismissing dissent of actions of powerful people rn while continuing to support them your quite literally a cheerleader this is the classic centrist psyop lol

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    by your logic are chief keef, king von, lil durk evil ?

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    andre jaceet

    you dont just move on tho ur actively putting effort into silencing and dismissing dissent of actions of powerful people rn while continuing to support them your quite literally a cheerleader this is the classic centrist psyop lol

    cherleader this is the classic centrist psyop

    brother I am a legal observer for protest in real life and have testified for protestors freedom of speech and picked them up from jails who the f*** you talking to

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