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  • Dec 19, 2025
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    Mafia Boss

    touring well ≠ music performing well

    He said his tour had lackluster numbers, that’s what I was responding to

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    Mafia Boss

    touring well ≠ music performing well

    Justin Timberlake went on the biggest tour of his career after one of his worst-performing albums of all time lol.

  • Dec 19, 2025
    thegreatdivine

    Justin Timberlake went on the biggest tour of his career after one of his worst-performing albums of all time lol.

    I love how you’re just ignoring what he said that I was replying to

    If it was the highest grossing rap-tour of all-time at its conclusion, how did it have lackluster tour numbers?

  • Dec 19, 2025
    TheFader

    He said his tour had lackluster numbers, that’s what I was responding to

    its clearly trolling/baiting

    this s*** started with Quadra actually broke ass calling other artists worth 100M+ "broke" on that list

    It's delusion and coping that has been going on for almost 2 years now.

  • Dec 19, 2025

    Mr. Morals haters need therapy!

  • Dec 19, 2025

    Mariah/Wham! taking over. 71 days at the top, wonder if we'll be back come January.

  • Dec 19, 2025
    TheFader

    He said his tour had lackluster numbers, that’s what I was responding to

    oh yea. midsteppers tour did well lol

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    They put the bots call in?

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    TheFader

    They put the bots call in?

    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/2002140667720708580

    says it was due to a "late digital push", so i assume 40,000 loyal 21 savage fans who are avid music buyers swooped in to give him his best pure sales week ever.

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    just for reference, american dream sold 126k streaming units and 4k pure. the new album sold 50k streaming units and 39k pure.

    whatever it is, these rappers are very fortunate that these new music buyers are spawning into existence at the exact time their streams are collapsing.

  • Dec 19, 2025
    serenade

    just for reference, american dream sold 126k streaming units and 4k pure. the new album sold 50k streaming units and 39k pure.

    whatever it is, these rappers are very fortunate that these new music buyers are spawning into existence at the exact time their streams are collapsing.

    Digital albums is wild

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    serenade

    just for reference, american dream sold 126k streaming units and 4k pure. the new album sold 50k streaming units and 39k pure.

    whatever it is, these rappers are very fortunate that these new music buyers are spawning into existence at the exact time their streams are collapsing.

    This is literally what we pointed out with Lil Baby/The Weeknd/NAV pure sales in the beginning of 2025 lol.

    The same specific user that was calling us delusional haters with an agenda is also now suddenly going to see how 21’s pure sales are fishy in his following posts btw

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    iHype

    This is literally what we pointed out with Lil Baby/The Weeknd/NAV pure sales in the beginning of 2025 lol.

    The same specific user that was calling us delusional haters with an agenda is also now suddenly going to see how 21’s pure sales are fishy in his following posts btw

    Lil Baby - Wham had bundles and deluxe bundles

    Its not the same at all

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    iHype

    This is literally what we pointed out with Lil Baby/The Weeknd/NAV pure sales in the beginning of 2025 lol.

    The same specific user that was calling us delusional haters with an agenda is also now suddenly going to see how 21’s pure sales are fishy in his following posts btw

    Lil Baby, The Weeknd, and NAV were ALL selling digital deluxe versions of their albums

    21 did not, he was selling physical CDs. The HDD article specifically says that there was a digital push.

    So yes, a random 40K boost of digital purchases without any deluxe available is extremely fishy for him

  • Dec 19, 2025

    And btw, the four physical CDs that 21 was selling were all limited to 2100 copies each, and all of them are still available to purchase. Meaning that he did less than 8K in physical copies.

    This nigga clearly used the same bot package that Thug used for DS4Ever lmao

  • Dec 19, 2025
    serenade

    says it was due to a "late digital push", so i assume 40,000 loyal 21 savage fans who are avid music buyers swooped in to give him his best pure sales week ever.

    Couldn’t be clearer bot usage I’m crying

  • Dec 19, 2025
    THEREALHNDRXXFREE

    Lil Baby - Wham had bundles and deluxe bundles

    Its not the same at all

    Lil Baby’s fanbase is not buying any albums from him lmao.

    Those bundles and webstore versions were all nonsense put up by teams who would then arrange a bunch of fake purchases from their own webstore.

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    TheFader

    Lil Baby, The Weeknd, and NAV were ALL selling digital deluxe versions of their albums

    21 did not, he was selling physical CDs. The HDD article specifically says that there was a digital push.

    So yes, a random 40K boost of digital purchases without any deluxe available is extremely fishy for him

    NAV literally got caught faking the sales so you’re just talking to talk honestly.

    It’s well known that the webstore versions were just put up and the teams created a bunch of fake sales from their store in that period.

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    NAV literally got caught faking the sales so you’re just talking to talk honestly.

    It’s well known that the webstore versions were just put up and the teams created a bunch of fake sales from their store in that period.

    Did I say he didn’t?

    I’m just saying it was more plausible because there were actual digital deluxe versions for sale. 21 does not have that so where the f*** did 40K digital purchases come from?

  • Dec 19, 2025

    I said I was wrong about Nav ten thousand times yet this nigga still jump up and down about it like it’s the only thing he’s ever won in his life

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    TheFader

    Did I say he didn’t?

    I’m just saying it was more plausible because there were actual digital deluxe versions for sale. 21 does not have that so where the f*** did 40K digital purchases come from?

    21 sold his album on EVEN, an app that is like OnlyFans for artists. If you buy it then you unlock exclusive access to artist-related things.

    The sales are fake, but they’re going on the same premise of trying to pretend they had their fans buy the album for exclusive things.

    Now you’re slowly understanding how the chart fraud works.

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    The only thing worse than a flop is juking the stats to attempt to fool fans into thinking you’re not flopping lol

    This would have worked 10-15 years ago.

    Fans are more informed and see through the BS in this era

  • Dec 19, 2025
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    iHype

    21 sold his album on EVEN, an app that is like OnlyFans for artists. If you buy it then you unlock exclusive access to artist-related things.

    The sales are fake, but they’re going on the same premise of trying to pretend they had their fans buy the album for exclusive things.

    Now you’re slowly understanding how the chart fraud works.

    Dog nobody knows what the f*** that is

    Can’t even find a single post of him promoting that s***

    And I’m not slowly understanding anything I’ve been well aware that sales are manipulated for years, every major artist is using bots to some extent, it’s just embarrassing when it’s as blatant and obvious as what 21 is trying to pull off right now

  • Dec 19, 2025

    Even more embarrassing to see dumbasses like Ak accuse everyone else of bots and then act like this s*** is genuine

  • Dec 19, 2025
    Uouj

    The only thing worse than a flop is juking the stats to attempt to fool fans into thinking you’re not flopping lol

    This would have worked 10-15 years ago.

    Fans are more informed and see through the BS in this era

    letting ego get to em

    worried more about chart ranks than streaming income/residuals.

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