May 22, 2022·1 replythegreatdivineAs "Doja Cat" does she have RAP SONGS/RAP ALBUMS? I'm not talking songs she made in her bedroom 10 years ago before she made her mainstream debut.
Take Lizzo for example: her early albums have her rapping a lot more than she sang but over her last 2 albums, she began singing a lot more and basically ditched the rapper label even though she still raps in her songs. Notice how no one calls her a rapper?
people still call lizzo a rapper due to her past and out of spite for other female rappers. But no one calls her new music rap.
- May 22, 2022
SABMAN TURNThow am i acting like Planet Her is Doja’s first album? she makes R&B, Pop, and Rap, so she’s a singer, a popstar, and a rapper. it’s that simple.
No one is debating that. The point is that she isn't a rap artist.
- May 22, 2022·1 replySABMAN TURNT
Tia Tamera was literally a hit wym
And? Name me 10 other Doja Cat rap hits.
They don't even have to be hits. Just 10 songs where she's mostly rapping (songs where the verses are rap and the hooks are melodic also works). That's as big a handicap as I'll give you.
Name me 10 Doja Cat rap records.
- May 22, 2022·1 reply
Is post malone a rapper? @sab
May 22, 2022How?
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻May 22, 2022·1 replyDedication 666
Is post malone a rapper? @sab
he specifically said he’s not, so he’s not, even though August 26 was a rap mixtape
May 22, 2022Harry’s house? More like harry’s world
- May 22, 2022SABMAN TURNT
he specifically said he’s not, so he’s not, even though August 26 was a rap mixtape
So if Ed Sheeran came out and said he was a rapper, that'd automatically make him a rap artist since he's rapped several times before?
- SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻May 22, 2022·1 replythegreatdivine
And? Name me 10 other Doja Cat rap hits.
They don't even have to be hits. Just 10 songs where she's mostly rapping (songs where the verses are rap and the hooks are melodic also works). That's as big a handicap as I'll give you.
Name me 10 Doja Cat rap records.
depends on your definition
most of her songs, she raps in at least one of the verses but sings the chorus
can we consider those as rap songs?
- May 22, 2022·1 replyDedication 666
people still call lizzo a rapper due to her past and out of spite for other female rappers. But no one calls her new music rap.
My point is that today, culturally, she isn't regarded as a rapper. I don't even know why this is being debated for so long. Doja Cat doesn't even make hip-hop songs. The songs she raps on? Pop songs with pop production. She spits a little 8 bar verse here and there and that automatically makes her a rap artist? No. It doesn't work like that.
If she wants to be given the nod as a rap artist, then she can rap a lot more than she's currently doing but she doesn't wanna do that. She wants to be seen as a pop artist, rap artist and R&B artist all at the same time and it doesn't work that way. You will be seen as ONE THING predominantly even if you do other things well.
Drake has rap, pop, dancehall, r&b and afrobeats songs under his belt but he's still regarded as a rap artist first and foremost because he mostly raps.
- May 22, 2022SABMAN TURNT
depends on your definition
most of her songs, she raps in at least one of the verses but sings the chorus
can we consider those as rap songs?
No, we can't because most of those songs by definition are pop songs. She's just rapping 8 bar verses over them. For example: Drake having a rap verse on What's My Name by Rihanna doesn't make it a rap song. It's still a pop song with a rap verse on it. Drake having a rap verse on Hold On, We're Going Home wouldn't have made it a rap song. It'd have just been a pop song with a rap verse on it. That's what y'all seem to be missing with Doja Cat. Having a short rap verse on a song doesn't make said song a rap song.
That's why I'm saying if she wants people to take her seriously as a rapper, she should rap on rap beats. Since she's confident she can kill it, let her give it a try. But songs where you're singing for 90% of the song and throw in a 20 second rap verse somewhere in there doesn't count and no one will take you seriously as a rapper doing s*** like that. That's just how it goes.
May 22, 2022Sonic WinterApple Songs Chart I 5/21/22 - 12:30 PM EST
1. Wait For U - Future
2. As it Was - Harry Styles
3. Late Night Talking - Harry Styles
4. Me Porto Bonito - Bad Bunny
5. Titi Me Pregunto - Bad Bunny
6. Music For a Sushi Restaurant - Harry Styles
7. Puffin on Zootiez - Future
8. Matilda - Harry Styles
9. First Class - Jack Harlow
10. Grapejuice - Harry Styles5.22.22 I 1 AM Update
1. Wait For U - Future
2. As It Was - Harry Styles
3. Me Porto Bonito - Bad Bunny
4. Titi Me Pregunto - Bad Bunny
5. Late Night Talking - Harry Styles
6. First Class - Jack Harlow
7. Puffin on Zootiez - Future
8. Moscow Mule - Bad Bunny
9. Despues de la Playa - Bad Bunny
10. Party - Bad BunnyBad Bunny having major staying power on Apple
- May 22, 2022thegreatdivine
My point is that today, culturally, she isn't regarded as a rapper. I don't even know why this is being debated for so long. Doja Cat doesn't even make hip-hop songs. The songs she raps on? Pop songs with pop production. She spits a little 8 bar verse here and there and that automatically makes her a rap artist? No. It doesn't work like that.
If she wants to be given the nod as a rap artist, then she can rap a lot more than she's currently doing but she doesn't wanna do that. She wants to be seen as a pop artist, rap artist and R&B artist all at the same time and it doesn't work that way. You will be seen as ONE THING predominantly even if you do other things well.
Drake has rap, pop, dancehall, r&b and afrobeats songs under his belt but he's still regarded as a rap artist first and foremost because he mostly raps.
People don't even be calling Doja a rapper because of her music. It's because they want to compare her to other rappers and because she's black. If she white it wouldn't even be a question. Kid Laroi started off rapping but now he is a pop singer and not in any rap convo.
- May 22, 2022·2 repliesthegreatdivine
https://chartmasters.org/2020/05/why-spotifys-monthly-listeners-stat-is-irrelevant/amp/
https://twitter.com/spotify_data/status/1477462374617841666https://twitter.com/spotify_data/status/1477457903309430786Bad Bunny clearing Drake and he didn’t even drop an album in 2021
Imagine what the 2022 numbers are gonna look like
May 22, 2022·2 repliesthegreatdivineWell, that's not a good example because Drake released two bonafide rap mixtapes before Views dropped, not to talk about the 3 rap albums he released before that.
You're acting like Planet Her is Doja Cat's first album. It's not. It's actually her third, plus she has an EP she dropped in 2014 so people have a sizeable amount of songs to go on. It's not like she's just straight rapping on every other album except her latsst album.
Amala (her debut album) is mostly R&B records. By Hot Pink (her sophomore album) she started making more pop-leaning records with a couple of R&B records on the side and by Planet Her (her third album) she fully dived into making pop music so there was never a time since she came out as "Doja Cat" that we've seen her RAP or drop albums that have her mostly rapping so why should anyone see her as a rapper?
Also, just to be clear, the ability to rap does not make you a rapper. ANYBODY can rap. That doesn't automatically make you a rap artist. Like I said earlier, countless singers over the last 30+ years have rapped or sang over hip-hop influenced beats or used rap inflections when singing — none of those things makes them a rap artist. That's all anyone is saying with Doja Cat.
Why you gotta be so grammatically correctly all the time. U treating KTT2 like it’s your 9-5
- May 22, 2022·1 replyKayTray
Bad Bunny clearing Drake and he didn’t even drop an album in 2021
Imagine what the 2022 numbers are gonna look like
How many Bad Bunny songs you played this year? 0?
- May 22, 2022·1 replyKayTray
Bad Bunny clearing Drake and he didn’t even drop an album in 2021
Imagine what the 2022 numbers are gonna look like
He dropped 3 albums in 2020 with one of them dropping late November 2020, streams from those spilled over into 2021. Drake, on the other hand, didn't drop an album in 2021 till September.
- May 22, 2022BIG STEPPER BRODIE
Why you gotta be so grammatically correctly all the time. U treating KTT2 like it’s your 9-5
That's just how I write. What's wrong with that?
- May 22, 2022Dedication 666
How many Bad Bunny songs you played this year? 0?
I been a big fan since like 2018 bro. Seen him twice in concert.
- May 22, 2022·1 replythegreatdivine
He dropped 3 albums in 2020 with one of them dropping late November 2020, streams from those spilled over into 2021. Drake, on the other hand, didn't drop an album in 2021 till September.
Excuses
He’s got a whole catalogue of so called classics.
- May 22, 2022
Yikes. Harry already down to 2 songs in the top 10 of Apple Music. He had 6 yesterday. I feel like he'll end up doing around 400k but nowhere near the 500k mark. His projections will definitely drop.
Only thing that could have him debut close to 500k is if his pure sale numbers are crazy.
- May 22, 2022KayTray
Excuses
He’s got a whole catalogue of so called classics.
And? He's still averaging 10B streams per year but new music will always garner more stream than old music. If Drake dropped 3 projects in a year, he'd pull massive streams just off the influx of streams those 3 respective projects would get.
May 22, 2022·2 repliesSABMAN TURNTyes obviously
being a rapper vs. a singer is not a binary
both can be true at once and are true for many artists
Facts bro It's like saying Drake is just a rapper when he's both a rap artist and popstar. X, Gambino, MGK, Post Malone, Chris Brown, and many other artists wear a ton of different hats and you can't call any of them just one type of artist. Calling Doja just a popstar is like saying Donald Glover is only an actor and can't be considered a rapper
- May 22, 2022·1 replyThe Darkest Angel
Facts bro It's like saying Drake is just a rapper when he's both a rap artist and popstar. X, Gambino, MGK, Post Malone, Chris Brown, and many other artists wear a ton of different hats and you can't call any of them just one type of artist. Calling Doja just a popstar is like saying Donald Glover is only an actor and can't be considered a rapper
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You know damn well this a false equivalency
- May 22, 2022·1 replyDedication 666
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You know damn well this a false equivalency
How? You kept asking if Post Malone a rapper. My question is if you think Childish Gambino is a actor?