Referring to Beyoncé’s global status and cultural relevance as “vibes” is extremely racist btw

All you “stats over everything” niggas should go debate the stock market or some s***. Why are you discussing music

Bro said your feelings aren't more important than hard facts and numbers and you called him racist. That's crazy

1) Streams per song
2) Back catalog

Do you not know that calling someone racist is @mangotflu’s go-to move? Idiot

Glad you’re beginning to understand

No I don't chronicle and track the actions of strangers online I am such a moron 😞

Glad you realized

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Apparently, I, a black man, am racist for not thinking that Tyler, the Creator is as big as Kendrick Lamar.

But white person @mangotflu is definitely not a racist for belittling Beyoncé’s legendary career down to “vibes”

That’s definitely how that works

You're saying Taylor's numbers don't matter, because she's white. seems you're the one being racist in this case.

Did I once devalue or belittle Taylor’s status down to “vibes”?

I never said her numbers don’t matter. I said they are not the only thing that matters.

You are an American white person, your understanding of the English language shouldn’t be this poor.

Seems it went over your head.

What else is there except numbers/facts? Vibes is the only thing. You're like one of those antivaxxers that were arguing against science

Beyoncè isn't bigger than Taylor Swift in anything or anyone. Some of you think Beyoncè and imagine she's as big as her name suggests but she isn't. Especially when compared to someone like Taylor Swift.

I think it's just a case of what a lot of old people do, where they assume an artist that was huge 20 years ago is still just as big now. But that isn't how things work

Taylor Swift is the biggest artist in the world. Hate her or love her, those are the facts. People need to have discussions without letting their feelings get in the way or reality.

Beyoncè has never reached the commercial peaks Taylor has not only been able to reach, but also sustain and surpass. Doesn't mean Beyoncè isn't an icon in her own right. Taylor is just the bigger act.

The numbers and facts don’t support MJ being above Taylor. Is Taylor Swift bigger than Michael Jackson?

Fader is 52 years old

Conversation about music and this nigga is gonna say “what else is there besides numbers/facts?” Imagine having a worldview that pathetic.

Illmatic was considered a commercial flop at the time of its release

You're in the numbers thread broski

When you're talking about the BIGGER artist there is literally nothing else lol. that's a dumb comparision since illimatic is about artistic integrity, this isn't about artistic integrity

they definitely do lol what

Mental illness

Not the touring data.

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE CONSIDER THE FKING TOURING DATA