thegreatdivine

2y

I feel the same way. I've never been for artists resorting to smoke and mirror tactics to make themselves appear more successful than they actually are because I think it's wack and unnecessary. If you're really that successful, the music and the raw/organic motion around your moves should speak to it. That's why despite all his efforts, he couldn't secure a legit chart hit for Utopia and none of his features after that have done anything. It's certain things you simply can't fake.

Midzy

2y

Kanye is the blame for the digital exclusive bs. That's why I'm glad Taylor ended his streak!

Midzy

2y

Kanye is the blame for the digital exclusive bs. That's why I'm glad Taylor ended his streak!

mov

2y

Taylor is the blame for the digital exclusive bs*

Midzy

2y

LMAO imagine.

You had to buy Vulture 2 4 times to get the full album, TTPD is available in full on streaming.

mov

2y

Vultures 2 is literally available on DSPs? Taylor dropped multiple songs for TTPD that aren't on DSPs either lol

Midzy

2y

LMAO imagine.

You had to buy Vulture 2 4 times to get the full album, TTPD is available in full on streaming.

Valentine

2y

What does securing a hit have to do with determining the success of an album and how is it smoke and mirrors when it’s one of the highest streamed albums (all genres) of 2023 and 2024 so far both domestically and globally?

thegreatdivine

2y

For Utopia, he used $5 vinyls to keep the album at #1 for 4 consecutive weeks. The album promptly left the top 10 after the vinyls ran out and it hasn't reached the top 10 since then. Those vinyls weren't reflective of organic consumption because many of his fans spent months complaining about never receiving their vinyls or getting entirely different albums instead.

As for the DBR re-release, releasing multiple digital versions of the album, all in a bid to boost its numbers, is what's reflective of smoke and mirrors tactics because the mixtape isn't really being consumed organically. The streams reflect that.

No one is saying Travis isn't successful or that Utopia is a flop. All I'm saying is that he's very fond of resorting to tactics to make him/his projects appear bigger/more successful than they actually are. He didn't need to resort to $5 vinyls to boost ASTROWORLD on the charts because it had organic hits and was largely consumed via streaming for months following its release. As for Utopia, without those $5 vinyls, it probably only spends 1 week at #1 and even fewer weeks in the top 10, which is thr actual reflection of how the album was consumed.

thegreatdivine

2y

For Utopia, he used $5 vinyls to keep the album at #1 for 4 consecutive weeks. The album promptly left the top 10 after the vinyls ran out and it hasn't reached the top 10 since then. Those vinyls weren't reflective of organic consumption because many of his fans spent months complaining about never receiving their vinyls or getting entirely different albums instead.

As for the DBR re-release, releasing multiple digital versions of the album, all in a bid to boost its numbers, is what's reflective of smoke and mirrors tactics because the mixtape isn't really being consumed organically. The streams reflect that.

No one is saying Travis isn't successful or that Utopia is a flop. All I'm saying is that he's very fond of resorting to tactics to make him/his projects appear bigger/more successful than they actually are. He didn't need to resort to $5 vinyls to boost ASTROWORLD on the charts because it had organic hits and was largely consumed via streaming for months following its release. As for Utopia, without those $5 vinyls, it probably only spends 1 week at #1 and even fewer weeks in the top 10, which is thr actual reflection of how the album was consumed.

Valentine

2y

You keep talking about physical sales when I’m strictly talking about streaming which is the era we’re in today. By that standard, it has been one of the most listened to albums of last year and this year and the numbers are there to prove it. So you keep talking about and focusing on first week sales tactics, when I’m talking about the overall consumption of the album, which the numbers prove has been getting consumed en masse since release

By your standard when it was on last years billboard year end list top 10 and it will be on this years top 10 as well, is it not successful?

TheFader

2y

Utopia already has more streams on Spotify than Her Loss and For All the Dogs, and it's only 1 billion behind Certified Lover Boy despite releasing two years later

YBJJ

2y

Drake stans complaining about artists not being organic and s***
Just amazing to see man

Valentine

2y

You keep talking about physical sales when I’m strictly talking about streaming which is the era we’re in today. By that standard, it has been one of the most listened to albums of last year and this year and the numbers are there to prove it. So you keep talking about and focusing on first week sales tactics, when I’m talking about the overall consumption of the album, which the numbers prove has been getting consumed en masse since release

By your standard when it was on last years billboard year end list top 10 and it will be on this years top 10 as well, is it not successful?

SecondRing

2y

Sooo who got number 1?