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  • Oct 10, 2023
    vagabonds

    so CD sales are a gimmick too as well ? lmao

    Young people aren't buying CDs to listen to the music that way though

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    mangotflu

    It's a gimmick if they aren't listening to the music that way, no?

    No, some people like to support their favorite artist in ways that aren’t passive, some people like a physical representation of the music they enjoy, it’s not a gimmick whatsoever

  • Oct 10, 2023
    shaleirose

    Streaming can be manipulated, and it’s inaccurate in that: the number to designate one “sale” is a totally made up figure, paid streams are worth more than free streams, and it creates an endless amount of “sales” because every time you play an album enough times it’s an additional sale.

    Pure sales can definitely be manipulated/incentivized as well, but a sale is a sale is a sale. You can’t fake a transaction.

    Record labels literally have history of faking cd sales lol, it's extremely common and has been happening for decades

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    Calling vinyl a gimmick because streaming exists is the equivalent of calling physical books a gimmick because Kindles exist. It’s just a ridiculous assertion.

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    shaleirose

    No, some people like to support their favorite artist in ways that aren’t passive, some people like a physical representation of the music they enjoy, it’s not a gimmick whatsoever

    Right, which has absolutely nothing to do with music CONSUMPTION lmao.

  • Oct 10, 2023
    mangotflu

    Right, which has absolutely nothing to do with music CONSUMPTION lmao.

    I swear y’all are remedial because I’ve said ten times ITT now that the two metrics measure two different things

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    shaleirose

    Calling vinyl a gimmick because streaming exists is the equivalent of calling physical books a gimmick because Kindles exist. It’s just a ridiculous assertion.

    What an insane comparision lmao, a huge % of people still prefer reading physical books rather than using a kindle

    who the f*** you know listening to Utopia from a CD/vinyl bro?

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    mangotflu

    What an insane comparision lmao, a huge % of people still prefer reading physical books rather than using a kindle

    who the f*** you know listening to Utopia from a CD/vinyl bro?

    It doesn’t matter what people prefer, that doesn’t make the less preferred option a “gimmick”, that’s actually insane and lowkey dystopian as s***

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    shaleirose

    It doesn’t matter what people prefer, that doesn’t make the less preferred option a “gimmick”, that’s actually insane and lowkey dystopian as s***

    taylor offers shiny special color cds

    gimmick definition
    a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade.

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    mangotflu

    taylor offers shiny special color cds

    gimmick definition
    a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade.

    By this definition, literally any type of promotion/marketing is a gimmick

  • Oct 10, 2023

    Next y’all will be saying lead singles and music videos are gimmicks

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    shaleirose

    By this definition, literally any type of promotion/marketing is a gimmick

    Yes? pretty much
    no one's buying a Utopia vinyl to listen to the music, they're buying it to supppor the artist or throw that s*** on their wall as decoration lol

    it's completely different to why people were buying vinyls/cds 30 years ago, dunno how anyone can disagree w/ that

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    mangotflu

    Yes? pretty much
    no one's buying a Utopia vinyl to listen to the music, they're buying it to supppor the artist or throw that s*** on their wall as decoration lol

    it's completely different to why people were buying vinyls/cds 30 years ago, dunno how anyone can disagree w/ that

    The reasoning for purchase is irrelevant, doesn’t make the product a gimmick.

    Also, if any type of promotion/marketing is a gimmick then your entire point is moot.

  • Oct 10, 2023
    allmygirlsdoyoga

    Trav outsold huh

    Trav had them bundles released a whole movie for it
    Anywhow great for them both.

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    shaleirose

    The reasoning for purchase is irrelevant, doesn’t make the product a gimmick.

    Also, if any type of promotion/marketing is a gimmick then your entire point is moot.

    Maybe but it has nothing to do w/ listening to the actual music, therefor it's completely goofy to me

    Billboard might as well start letting hoodie sales and concert tickets count as album sales too

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    mangotflu

    Maybe but it has nothing to do w/ listening to the actual music, therefor it's completely goofy to me

    Billboard might as well start letting hoodie sales and concert tickets count as album sales too

    so physical sales should be removed ?

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    vagabonds

    so physical sales should be removed ?

    If Billboard is a measure of consumption, then yes

    if Billboard is a measure of who has the most insane fans then no, but in that case they should include things like hoodies/concerts which will make it even more accurate

  • Oct 10, 2023
    mangotflu

    Maybe but it has nothing to do w/ listening to the actual music, therefor it's completely goofy to me

    Billboard might as well start letting hoodie sales and concert tickets count as album sales too

    And this brings me back to the main point, that streaming measures a DIFFERENT METRIC and that it has nothing to do with pure sales.

    Sales numbers are not “how many times is this song getting played”, it’s literally just how many times a sale was made. That’s it. Full stop.

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    mangotflu

    If Billboard is a measure of consumption, then yes

    if Billboard is a measure of who has the most insane fans then no, but in that case they should include things like hoodies/concerts which will make it even more accurate

    Billboard is a measure of sales.

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    Streaming measures consumption.

    Pure sales measures sales.

    Two different categories, should not be conflated, both can co-exist.

  • Oct 10, 2023
    orangetcovid

    Definitely doing closer to 2

    3 tbh, she's going for Adele's record IYKYK

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    shaleirose

    Billboard is a measure of sales.

    Do they still say that? last time I saw they were saying theyre a measure of consumption

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    mangotflu

    Do they still say that? last time I saw they were saying theyre a measure of consumption

    According to them, consumption is included under sales, which is something I don’t agree with

  • Oct 10, 2023
    shaleirose

    According to them, consumption is included under sales, which is something I don’t agree with

    Yea exactly s***'s dumb, I wish they just separated the charts properly years ago

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    shaleirose

    According to them, consumption is included under sales, which is something I don’t agree with

    i been thinking for a while that there should be a new chart that just counts streams

    first week streams just looks like it makes more sense tbh

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