Jul 31, 2023·1 reply
mangotfluAn easy example of this stuff is Harry Styles v Nicki Minaj honestly.
I know it may be a weird comparision but Nicki Minaj was on top of the game for so long but lets be real, Nicki could put out an unlimited amount of slaps but she's never even been 25% as big of a touring artist as Harry Styles. Harry Styles is probably a bigger tourist artist than Drake even lmao
so, is Harry a bigger artist than Drake now?
Harry is definitely bigger than Drake. At least outside the US/Canada
Jul 31, 2023mangotfluAn easy example of this stuff is Harry Styles v Nicki Minaj honestly.
I know it may be a weird comparision but Nicki Minaj was on top of the game for so long but lets be real, Nicki could put out an unlimited amount of slaps but she's never even been 25% as big of a touring artist as Harry Styles. Harry Styles is probably a bigger tourist artist than Drake even lmao
so, is Harry a bigger artist than Drake now?
See this the other point with touring I was going to bring up, no drake is bigger then Harry but Harry is a better performer so more ppl willing to pay money to see him then drake. Also Harry just toured longer them drake ever did so that also is a factor lmao
- Jul 31, 2023·2 replies
shaleirose1. It’s passive in the sense that, after getting past the paywall, all anyone has to do is choose a song and press play. That’s it. The effort stops there. It’s affordable, and there’s no financial decisions to be made like in the past when all albums were sold separately. Most people listen through shuffling their playlists, which makes the whole ordeal even more passive because now you’re not even choosing the songs, at least in the order you’re hearing them.
2. It’s the job of an artist to be good at performing if they plan on doing live shows, so if fans are not buying tickets because the artist isn’t a good performer, that’s 100% on the artist. Rap isn’t trash live, but I agree there are a lot of modern rappers who are not good at it.
That's the thing that's hard for artists tho, getting ppl to press play in the first place. They all struggle w/ it except a small handful like Drake/Trav/Taylor etc
Even Post Malone was on top of the world with this s*** just 4/5 years ago, now he's struggling hella bad with it. No one cares to press Play lol. I think ur making it sound a lot easier than it really is to get streams
- Jul 31, 2023jack johnson
Harry is definitely bigger than Drake. At least outside the US/Canada
I’d say africa too drake bigger, drake big there too don't sleep ok that continent
- Jul 31, 2023jack johnson
One of them came out in early 2020, the other turned 1 this week
My turn did over 2.5 million in 2020 alone
- Jul 31, 2023shaleirose
Five years ago.
I’m sure if Nicki put out a great album and announced a global arena tour, it would be super successful
yeah and that was a lot closer to her commercial peak & was only an arena tour. you really think she'd have a lot more success now?
Harry Styles aint even american but his US tour would prob be bigger than Nicki's lol
Jul 31, 2023mangotfluThat's the thing that's hard for artists tho, getting ppl to press play in the first place. They all struggle w/ it except a small handful like Drake/Trav/Taylor etc
Even Post Malone was on top of the world with this s*** just 4/5 years ago, now he's struggling hella bad with it. No one cares to press Play lol. I think ur making it sound a lot easier than it really is to get streams
Drake is the most playlisted artist in history tho, he diff
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replymangotflu
That's the thing that's hard for artists tho, getting ppl to press play in the first place. They all struggle w/ it except a small handful like Drake/Trav/Taylor etc
Even Post Malone was on top of the world with this s*** just 4/5 years ago, now he's struggling hella bad with it. No one cares to press Play lol. I think ur making it sound a lot easier than it really is to get streams
There are numerous factors that contributed to the fall of Post Malone, but you lowkey just proved my point again.
Earlier you said that touring artists favor white, family friendly artists who have radio friendly hit songs.
Post Malone has 8 Diamond singles and he’s currently touring amphitheaters.
Streaming is a flawed metric
- Jul 31, 2023·3 repliesshaleirose
“Lil Baby is bigger than Beyonce” is the wildest hill I’ve ever seen someone die on
its only me 658k
My turn 583k
Renaissance 553k - Jul 31, 2023Dedication 666
its only me 658k
My turn 583k
Renaissance 553kI wonder how much he will sell 25 years into his career 🤔
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyDedication 666
its only me 658k
My turn 583k
Renaissance 553kThe whole basis of this discussion has been that streaming numbers are a flawed, inaccurate metric of who the biggest artists actually are.
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
Do you think Lil Baby is a more popular musician than Nicki Minaj?
as of literally right now no. but in 2020 yes but a lot.
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyDedication 666
as of literally right now no. but in 2020 yes but a lot.
Sure, but that’s because Nicki was MIA for a while post-Queen
- Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesshaleirose
There are numerous factors that contributed to the fall of Post Malone, but you lowkey just proved my point again.
Earlier you said that touring artists favor white, family friendly artists who have radio friendly hit songs.
Post Malone has 8 Diamond singles and he’s currently touring amphitheaters.
Streaming is a flawed metric
Post is a notoriously bad performer tho, which kinda screws the touring thing up too cos no one's really gonna go pay 100s of dollars for someone they know isn't good
- Jul 31, 2023shaleirose
Sure, but that’s because Nicki was MIA for a while post-Queen
nicki wouldn't do my turn numbers even now
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
The whole basis of this discussion has been that streaming numbers are a flawed, inaccurate metric of who the biggest artists actually are.
bigger in what aspect. like 50 cent is huge artist because of his past but if he dropped now it would be crickets
- Jul 31, 2023·1 reply
Ok I think we confusing bigger vs hotter, if Niggas wanna say lil baby a hotter artist rn then beyonce I can see that argument, but when we talk about who is the BIGGER artist that’s a completely different conversation because that’s when legacy comes into play
- Jul 31, 2023Dedication 666
bigger in what aspect. like 50 cent is huge artist because of his past but if he dropped now it would be crickets
What @Miww85 just said above me sums it up perfectly.
I think we’re having two different discussions.
Lil Baby is definitely the hotter artist at the moment, but Beyonce is and forever will be bigger than him.
- Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesmangotflu
Post is a notoriously bad performer tho, which kinda screws the touring thing up too cos no one's really gonna go pay 100s of dollars for someone they know isn't good
the same argument applies to many rappers
- Jul 31, 2023
You can see already though that people are starting to sour on Lil Baby.
If I had to make a bet right now, I would bet ten years from now that a new Beyonce album would sell more than a new Lil Baby album
- Jul 31, 2023jack johnson
the same argument applies to many rappers
exactly lol it's so much easier to perform pop/rock etc live than it is rap
drake has to change the production on every single song of his tour cause of this
- Jul 31, 2023·1 reply
Post just finished a sold out US and Europe arena tour 2 months ago.. what is being discussed in here.
Also, people need to learn biggest =/= currently most popular
- Jul 31, 2023mangotflu
Post is a notoriously bad performer tho, which kinda screws the touring thing up too cos no one's really gonna go pay 100s of dollars for someone they know isn't good
You can be a bad/average performer and still get people in arenas though.
The fact that Post can’t, even with 8 Diamond singles, should say a lot about the value of streaming as a metric
- Jul 31, 2023jack johnson
the same argument applies to many rappers
This is the REAL reason why rappers can’t sell out stadiums. Most of them are just notoriously bad performers. I mean look at any artist that sell out stadiums look at the SHOW they put on, and compare it to an average rap performance it’s night and day
- Jul 31, 2023·2 replies
Kendrick is a good example of great live performances. That's why his tour is doing great numbers. Kanye before 2016 as well