@sab

lmao

this loser exposing himself

all whites are the product of incest

sgp is that you

zionist propagandist

Surely we have to consider the apolitical or ordinary Iranians... Those who had no ideological allegiance but fled or resisted Khomeinism out of fear, imprisonment, repression, or personal loss. Are those people’s critiques illegitimate too? Or do you lump them in with liberals, reactionaries, or imperialist collaborators?

btw those proxies commited the Houla massacre, starved towns until they surrendered, brutal torture in prisons, emptied towns and regions, forced displacement ootings and revenge killings, and r accused of war crimes against civillians when supporting assad.

they pay for anti LGBT propoganda, use hammer and glue torture methods, castrate them, burn them in public as intimidation, execute them without trial, perform honor killings, and raid private gatherings. depending on the proxy lol like lets be real for a second these arent like honorable heroes that need to be sanitized. it can be true that israel is wrong here completely and that the proxies goal rn is good but we dont have to go beyond that.

How real is this bc the thought is comedic

I dont care what liberals think about anything. "ordinary" people is a meaningless category. what class position are these people inhabiting, what is the specificity of their criticism?

I have always supported progressive demands from iranians while rejecting the reactionary ones, this is actually how you are supposed to navigate the world. not blindly tailing the trends of the media.

like of course I have sympathy with feminists and workers in Iran but without a revolutionary communist party to guide these struggles they are coopted and subsumed by the right. this is a perfectly valid criticism of "activism" in the country and basically any sort of "mass" politics without real political leadership.

btw if u wanna know what hammer and glue method is its when they glue their anus shut using industrial adhesive then r force fed laxatives which overtime ruptures their intestines, often beaten with hammers during it. usually done after kidnapping. you can guess why its specifically done to gay people more.

activists and journalists often get tortured or dissapear, twitter facebook etc and vpns are all banned, women dress code and interaction is extremely strict, protests have been met with beatings internet shutdowns and mass shootings, trials last minutes, public hangings are common for s*** like enmity against god, ethnic and religious minorities are arrested for cultural activities and banned from practicing religions not recognized by state, the elite class lives in luxury in an impoverished country.

the iranian government is evil and disgusting and so are its proxies, lets not play dumb.

Huh

I bring them up because those are far more likely to be the majority than Iranian reactionaries who are Zionists and very openly anti-Islam and the Iranian communists (MEK) you mentioned earlier.

These are a lot of people. I'm not Iranian, but I know some and it's mostly repression and lack of freedom of speech. It also stems from suppression of journalists, restricting people in media and universities, people being forced to cover up and dress modestly, wear hijabs, removing mixing of sexes in public places, discrimination against religious minorities, even Sunni Muslims, banning of books, ethnic repression if you're an Arab or Kurd, men forced into military service, worsening of economics, fear of being spied, (obviously a lot of this changed). Also just a rapid regression, losing hope for reform and democracy (not saying the US controlled Iran was ideal). This is why there are so many anti-Iran Iranians in the diaspora, and they all have their reasons.

You might not like it, but labelling the majority as reactionaries is just wild when most of them stem from trauma, it's like not like they're rich, conservative Cubans fleeing communism

hezbollah made the correct choice to intervene in the western and jihadi backed regime change operation in syria. you sound like a CIA c***guzzler

I'm choosing not to keep up with thread for my own sanity, but I don't think anyone here would contest the idea that a religious fundemntalist group is incapabale of committing evil in its own right..

It's just that this evil is incomparable to the kind a colonizer would produce, critical support is a key idea here.

do you think its right to massacre towns, starve civillians until they surrender, torture imprisoned people, empty regions, force displacement, and commit war crimes if your goal is good?

I'm also exclusively referring to Hezbollah here, Hamas has never been involved in anything this extreme... Their rule over Gaza has been largely innocuous

hezbollah did none of those things.

if you wanna say israel is more evil or whatever thats fine id agree but that doesnt mean we reduce how bad iran or its proxies are outside of what they are doing right now. the convo is from someone talking about how iranian people that fled are cherring for the governemnt taking hits due to how they were treated. that is like next level evil s*** lol

Yeah no Im never siding with those diasporoids personally. Iranian neo-monarchists are pure scum

"diasporoids" and its opressed people that escaped an extremist dictatorship and rightfully resent it. those people have probably been through more than anyone in this thread can imagine lol

if you find yourself blaming hezbollah for sieges during the syrian civil war, and not the jihadi terrorists funded by turkey, the gulf, and the west who infiltrated civilian areas, stole aid and sold it at extortionate prices, you’re a CIA cuck