Dec 15, 2025
WRUonce again no proof but they def went all in on hooking em on all types of d**** when he started doing all that anti bush anti government s***. the quality of his output has absolutely nosedived since then and afterwards he could only focus on keeping himself together as a person and not larger politics except maybe throwing jabs at easier targets such as trump
That 106 & Park interview with Em and 50 from like 2006 is kinda sad to see today cause you can visibly see the d*** addiction there. And 50 was helping Em not black out.
I think Proof dying played a bigger role than Bush though.
Dec 15, 2025
TheFaderI don’t think his race had anything to do with his success
And the conversation stops here
Drake, Ye, Jay definitely sold far more than half of what Em did so that’s a lie
- Dec 15, 2025·1 reply
Mafia BossTheres no way that person believes race hasnt been a factor in eminems success.
Even this decade NF, Suicideboys, Jelly Roll. Have all had success due to whiteness without being accepted by hiphop.
Comparing Eminem to any of those artists isn’t even a good faith argument now you’re just listing white people lol. None of those people come close to Eminem in skill or success so the argument is pointless
- Dec 15, 2025·1 replyTheFader
I don’t think his race had anything to do with his success
And the conversation stops here
Eminem drops this bar to pander to the hip-hop community for his white guilt and now you guys try to use it as a “gotcha” for every time this argument brought up, it’s hilarious
goretex 💁🏽♂️Dec 15, 2025·1 replyI think you can admit Eminem is as big as he is with the help that he’s white and also recognize he possesses once in a lifetime music making ability tbh
- goretex 💁🏽♂️Dec 15, 2025·1 reply
Tbh Wayne is if Eminem was black
Dec 15, 2025·1 replyHe gets hate because people talk like he’s still at that 01/03 level music wise and that’s simply not true
- Dec 15, 2025goretex
I think you can admit Eminem is as big as he is with the help that he’s white and also recognize he possesses once in a lifetime music making ability tbh
These niggas act like both can’t simultaneously be true
- Dec 15, 2025·2 replieshellogoodbye
Eminem drops this bar to pander to the hip-hop community for his white guilt and now you guys try to use it as a “gotcha” for every time this argument brought up, it’s hilarious
The conversation ended there
- Dec 15, 2025TheFader
The conversation ended there
Uh huh
- Dec 15, 2025·1 replyhellogoodbye
Comparing Eminem to any of those artists isn’t even a good faith argument now you’re just listing white people lol. None of those people come close to Eminem in skill or success so the argument is pointless
It is because whiteness is what propelled them to the level of success they had.
Do you think Eminem would do the same numbers if he looked like Jayz?
- Dec 15, 2025goretex
Tbh Wayne is if Eminem was black
He would be more like T.I career wise
- Dec 15, 2025Mafia Boss
It is because whiteness is what propelled them to the level of success they had.
Do you think Eminem would do the same numbers if he looked like Jayz?
I think if Jay-Z made 8Mile or wrote Lose Yourself it would be just as fire. As far as numbers go I don't see why arguing some hypothetical race swap is even a valid conversation, there's so many factors at play.... But yes being white has boosted his numbers but there are Black rappers who have reached similar heights so I don't even know why we act like Jay wouldn't be able to do the same numbers given he released the same discography as Eminem
Idk man, we're literally arguing a hypothetical reality
and keeping it real with you I think SuicideBoys actually makes some decent s*** and I didn't even know they were white until later on lol...
Dec 16, 2025·1 replyIridescentI don’t think his race had anything to do with his success
Some of his subject matter does change for sure if he wasn’t white and that could impact how big some of his songs got but like ultimately he got there based on his talent and songwriting. If anything, him being a white rapper likely made it harder for him to be taken seriously when he was trying to make it. Even Dre admitted he was told by execs and his friends to not sign Em because of his race
Ur just f***ing racist or dumb if you think being white didn’t help Eminem
- Dec 16, 2025
Nigga yeah I know I was alive
- Dec 16, 2025·1 replyTheFader
The conversation ended there
Because you got nothing to say about why there are rappers currently who have sold close to Em but no other white rapper is marginally near them
- Dec 16, 2025·1 replyLikewhoIsHe
Ur just f***ing racist or dumb if you think being white didn’t help Eminem
it’s not racism or being dumb. Though you are definitely an idiot for thinking hip hop benefits white people as if the top 10 best selling rappers aren’t all black besides Em.
This is as dumb an argument as saying Jokic won his MVPs because he’s white
- Dec 16, 2025Iridescent
it’s not racism or being dumb. Though you are definitely an idiot for thinking hip hop benefits white people as if the top 10 best selling rappers aren’t all black besides Em.
This is as dumb an argument as saying Jokic won his MVPs because he’s white
Obviously it isnt only because he’s white lmao no one is making that claim
In fact I would say it was harder for him coming up because he was white but once he breakout it made him the biggest rapper . Easily lmao
Nigga Jokic is one of the best players of all time but tes even before he was some people loved him because he was a day “white” dude
It’s about relatability and representation most of America is what so when they see something white they can root they will
Same with any other race
Dec 16, 2025·1 replyBobby_96It was a double-edged sword.
He did benefit from being more marketable as a White dude and talked about that in his music.
But Em was also highly controversial too. He had GLAAD, Republicans, and feminist groups protesting his music and calling for boycotts.
Also, he was viewed as a danger to suburban kids no differently from NWA in the past or Grand Theft Auto.
In fact, my mom was playing a radio show in her car in 2002 and I vividly remember hearing a bunch of older people claiming that parents should stop their children from getting into Eminem and Grand Theft Auto so that they won't turn out to be degenerates. And I was very young then.
And he was temporarily banned from certain countries too. And he had the FBI investigate him for "Mosh."
People who act like Eminem was this safe White rapper who had it easy are rewriting history. He and 50 Cent both broke a lot of barriers. (Kanye did too in a totally different way).
Ngl as someone who was never big on Em this is valid. Can’t front like he wasn’t a force in music and pop culture during this time on both sides.
- Dec 16, 2025dotM
He gets hate because people talk like he’s still at that 01/03 level music wise and that’s simply not true
This tho
- Dec 16, 2025AvenueJones
Ngl as someone who was never big on Em this is valid. Can’t front like he wasn’t a force in music and pop culture during this time on both sides.
It's actually pretty wild how famous Em and 50 were back then.
I remember going to Sunday School as a kid and this kid asked the teacher why God let 50 Cent survive 9 shots?
And it was mad awkward cause that kid was like 7 years old lol.
I was mad af that I didn't get to see 8 mile either cause I was "too young."
- Dec 16, 2025·1 replyIridescent
Because you got nothing to say about why there are rappers currently who have sold close to Em but no other white rapper is marginally near them
The conversation ended with words from the man himself
- Dec 16, 2025·editedhellogoodbye
So did being Black contribute to Snoop Dogg being one of the highest selling artists of all time...?
Snoop is very famous but he hasn't sold that much outside of Doggystyle.
He damn near became a singles artist after the 90's.
- Dec 16, 2025TheFader
Nigga probably thinks Taylor Swift is as successful as she is because she’s just that good
I see your point but Taylor is very musically vanilla and safe compared to Eminem lol.
- Dec 16, 2025·1 replyTheFader
The conversation ended with words from the man himself
Bro I respect you and I enjoy reading your posts but can you please stop referring back to this bar like it's some end all be all gotcha
