thread showing that the uk needs to play up grime for people to support it
seen some of the most anti british posters on here flying the flag more than britpop
Yes you literally can. You keep trying to make it seem like I'm saying they don't exist when I'm not. You niggas are going through hoop after hoop rn to admit the facts that I'm stating. it's crazy
Why do you think you can ignore 35 years of history that’s absolutely necessary to understand what grime is and how it sounds lol
There is literally no grime without those genres. Grime would not have been a think if only hip hop existed and those other genres didn’t. Then it would just all be UK hip hop and not grime lol
they also don't listen to Dave who's basically the best rapper out there
Dave is lowkey the go-to for non europeans who want to listen to uk hip-hop though tbh
Did you have access to London pirate radio broadcasts of garage groups MCing for hours straight every weekend night?
We got Fire in the Booth. Like I want to hear your cousin go off the dome m8
blackpink is a hip hop collective to yall with the logic you guys have
blackpink lisa can rap circles around kendrick
Dave is lowkey the go-to for non europeans who want to listen to uk hip-hop though tbh
it went from giggs to skeppy to dave
Dave is lowkey the go-to for non europeans who want to listen to uk hip-hop though tbh
The only UK rapper anybody in the US has ever tried to put me on IRL
It kinda does. It's a wide wide reaching genre. it's not a bad thing idk why yall act like it is.
It wouldn’t be a bad thing if that were true but it’s just objectively false
Hip hop influenced grime.
That doesnt mean it's a product or subgenre of hip hop
I disagree but ok. that wasn't even my point. What you said before that was what I was trying to get these niggas to admit to.
blackpink is a hip hop collective to yall with the logic you guys have
Lisa disrespect won't be tolerated
Dave is lowkey the go-to for non europeans who want to listen to uk hip-hop though tbh
rare W
Hip hop influenced grime.
That doesnt mean it's a product or subgenre of hip hop
It's absolutely a subgenre of hip-hop lmao
Grime is far more influenced by the genres I have stated than anything the US has produced.
Sure you can say that (I don't agree but go for it) but it's still influenced by it heavily. (Not saying what you listed doesn't outweigh hip hop's influence)
UK hip-hop was more popular than grime for many years, that is a different genre.
But neither were nearly as popular as US Hip hop. And both those things you named are influenced by it. That's all I'm saying and you niggas are losing it
Some garage and grime MCs were influenced more by American music, some less. In the late 00s, most MCs were doing hip-hop and not grime. Grime is an electronic genre unlike hip-hop, thus having some of the pecularities of electronic music (like an emphasis on singles over albums, bunch of remixes and instrumentals being released, bunch of DJing playlists and so on).
Grime had a revival in the mid 2010s and now there are more grime artists again.
UK drill is a hip-hop subgenre (stemming from Chicago drill) with some grime influences.
Here is a garage MC influenced by US east coast hip-hop like Illmatic, 2002:

I disagree but ok. that wasn't even my point. What you said before that was what I was trying to get these niggas to admit to.
Second statement moreso towards u saying it wouldn't exist without western influence earlier itt
It's absolutely a subgenre of hip-hop lmao
It has a common ancestor but a different evolution than hip-hop.
Why do you think you can ignore 35 years of history that’s absolutely necessary to understand what grime is and how it sounds lol
There is literally no grime without those genres. Grime would not have been a think if only hip hop existed and those other genres didn’t. Then it would just all be UK hip hop and not grime lol
Ok man. I just can't drill it into your head that I'm not ignoring anything just because I don't want to write a f***ing 8 paragraph manifesto explaining how every genre including hip hop made grime.
No one discusses music like that on here. No one breaks down every individual genre that goes into making a type of music.
It wouldn’t be a bad thing if that were true but it’s just objectively false
Ok
Ok man. I just can't drill it into your head that I'm not ignoring anything just because I don't want to write a f***ing 8 paragraph manifesto explaining how every genre including hip hop made grime.
No one discusses music like that on here. No one breaks down every individual genre that goes into making a type of music.
They would if half the site would keep claiming that Hiphop is nothing but a subgenre of soul music
You know grime wouldn’t have happened without the drill music of Chicago first