Huawei5G

5y

One minute fat Americans say covid is not a big deal... then the next minute they blame a Chinese lab and get angry.... they cannot make up their mind

Majin GoldenChild

5y

???
What are you talking about

It’s isn’t overwhelming evidence at all

aglow

5y

Right.. on one side you've got actual experts, and on the other conspiracy loons.

Even the article says:

"The current intelligence reinforces the belief that the virus MOST LIKELY ORIGINATED NATURALLY, from animal-human contact, the sources said. But that does not preclude the possibility that the virus was the result of an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute."

That second statement may sound confusing, but something being a possibility isnt the same as something being true. It is a possibility Kanye is reading this thread while sitting on the toilet? Sure, I guess. Is it likely, not really.

Huawei5G

5y

One minute fat Americans say covid is not a big deal... then the next minute they blame a Chinese lab and get angry.... they cannot make up their mind

aglow

5y

Right.. on one side you've got actual experts, and on the other conspiracy loons.

Even the article says:

"The current intelligence reinforces the belief that the virus MOST LIKELY ORIGINATED NATURALLY, from animal-human contact, the sources said. But that does not preclude the possibility that the virus was the result of an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute."

That second statement may sound confusing, but something being a possibility isnt the same as something being true. It is a possibility Kanye is reading this thread while sitting on the toilet? Sure, I guess. Is it likely, not really.

Lou

5y

There’s clearly a huge media shift going on where the lab leak origin is actually being considered. A few months ago that subject was taboo but now we got Fauci publicly saying he’s “considering” the possibility.

In reality, I think he knows it’s from a lab and the media is slowly normalizing the thought. Just yesterday the intelligence community said they had evidence of Wuhan lab workers all getting sick at the time of the initial outbreak - so that’s US Intelligence hinting at lab leak. It’s going very mainstream very quick.

Lou

5y

I still hold that it is an accidental leak. It’s a totally apolitical standpoint that recognizes the danger of GoF and the storied history of lab mishaps.

The current coronavirus genome is a 96% match to a virus that same lab found in 2013 in batshit in a cave.

The article also mentions that people in the experimental pathology/virology field are obliged to upload genetic sequences into an accessible database. From there, any lab with internet access and the proper equipment can search up a virus and “print” it for their own experiments

So that puts the Wuhan origin in question. It could be from anywhere. And given that traces of the virus were found in France and Belgium as early as November 2019, and even March 2019 in Spain (not to mention the slew of mysterious covid-like symptoms in the US in fall 2019) ; it seems like it was circulating before it spiked in Wuhan

Monky business

5y

The experts that made natural causes the biggest narrative came from a Lancet statement which set the tone early and would be cited whenever media talked about COVID origins. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

It turns out the guy who drafted it also funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab in question. Even if it did not originate from a lab accident, there's a clear conflict of interest here. https://usrtk.org/biohazards-blog/ecohealth-alliance-orchestrated-key-scientists-statement-on-natural-origin-of-sars-cov-2/

Beyond that, the statement only cites early research (Feb 2020 and earlier) that says its probable. Saying outright it didn't come from a lab at that point is conjecture just like saying it came from a lab right now is.

Tyler1999

5y

I agree

Anybody who chalks everything up to 'coincidence' is either naive or a robot

aglow

5y

Or one of those, you know.. scientists.

aglow

5y

Yeah, I read the article and they don't even know what disease afflicted the workers. Immediately jumping to COVID without any evidence whatsoever isn't very scientifically accurate now is it.

Ultimately I'm all for the truth and transparency - which is what Fauci is saying he wishes for.

But right now there's zero compelling evidence to support the lab theory.

aglow

5y

Be that as it may, "setting the tone for the media", isn't at all the same as scientific consensus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigations_into_the_origin_of_COVID-19

Monky business

5y

even still, there has been no intermediary found all while chinese experts have been searching for more than a year now. The furthest nearly all these studies go is saying it's "probable"

There's no reason to be ignoring the lab leak theory as just a conspiracy when the evidence against it is just as circumstantial as the evidence for it

Fauci being less certain is enough for me bc he's pretty conservative with assertions all things considered

Lou

5y

Yeah, there’s no smoking gun proof on either side of the argument. There hasn’t been some intermediate virus dna strand found and isolated that explains the mutation in the current virus. There also hasn’t been a missing lab notebook or accident report that would prove a leak theory.

The current virus is, however, a little oddly transmissible in human lungs. The 2013 RaTG13 bat coronavirus is a 96% match to the current COVID-19 virus. The 4% difference is mostly seen in the spike-protein-encoding region that is sensitive to furin concentrations in human lungs.

I’m just gonna keep posting this article because it’s a great source that explains the science in plain english https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Huawei5G

5y

One minute fat Americans say covid is not a big deal... then the next minute they blame a Chinese lab and get angry.... they cannot make up their mind

POOM POOM DOOM

5y

We gotta burn it all down folks, and start over.

Hi-C

5y

Coincidences happen all the time.

I’m not going to totally rule out foul play but to act like 99% of this lab leak s*** isn’t a way to stir up some xenophobic propaganda against Chinese ppl doesn’t exactly make me keen on believing any of it