in fairness to synop i havent seen him deny the uighur genocide

But this is one man who is an editor for a notoriously trash Chinese publication not anyone from the Govt.

Not saying they did, that post was a follow up to previous posts where I was saying why it was important to investigate the origins. I said if it was man made, there needs to be further investigation into how much the Chinese government knew about it.

If (and it’s a big IF) they knew all about it and covered it up instead of alerting the world, shutting down their own travel, and giving scientists globally the exact science behind the creation of the virus, then yeah the 3 million dead would be on China’s hand.

No it would not be

How tf would it not be

In that scenario where the government knows that the virus was created in one of their labs, they would presumably know it as soon as it was identified. So they would know that this was infectious and deadly. They should have shut down travel and contained the virus in Wuhan. Alerted world leaders so people who had been to Wuhan immediately would have quarantined. The development of a vaccine could have been accelerated if we knew its origins. Instead of any of that, they (in this scenario) covered it up. So we can just agree to disagree, but idk what the argument against this could even be

Also I know you’ve got a soft spot for the Chinese government. I’m not picking on China here, in previous posts ITT I have mentioned the possibility that the American government would have been more involved than the Chinese government in creating the virus, considering we funded that lab.

bruh the title update

Fear mongering at its finest. Not blaming OP as it was referenced in the article but both countries are way too reliant on each other to ever do something like that

If the roles were reversed and it turned out the American government created the virus in the Wuhan lab, allowed it to leak, then denied any knowledge of it in order to save face, didn’t give this knowledge to the medical community, and didn’t try to prevent it from spreading across the globe... would @Synopsis still be cool with it?

thats true

economically im sure a move like that would devastate both, and the world at large

I’m not even close to educated as some in the subject but in my opinion the only type of warfare you would see between two countries of this caliber would be economic and cyber

Can you tell me who is responsible for the response of countries like america and Brazil other than America and brazil

Biden saved America from Trump’s response

uh sure

Thank you

Yes, other world governments are responsible for their own responses, in America you also have the state governments taking on responsibility.

But if the scenario we have been discussing (not one that’s even likely), the reason there even needs to be a response is because China knew about the virus, knew its origins, didn’t offer any information to the medical community, covered it up and continued to allow travel to and from the country, and didn’t let other governments know the threat.

If I caught COVID, knew I had it, and instead of quarantining myself I decided to keep going out in public and spreading it, didn’t inform anybody I had it, didn’t tell them they had probably caught it from me and should quarantine, would you think I was an a******? Or would you think the people I infected should’ve been responsible for their own safety and they had their own immune systems responsible for protecting them?

If China knew from the start, then it would be that scenario on a global scale.

This is just a terrible a***ogy and i do think you could work out why if you thought about it for a few minutes.

let’s not forget and start acting like Trump tried to get info out.

Can't believe we got people defending China for everything they did wrong with Covid as if we can't blame both China and the USA for the f*** ups?

Not really seeing how it’s different.

In the scenario, Chinese government knew what they had, didn’t quarantine it’s citizens, didn’t let other countries know they should be quarantining citizens who had been to China, allowed it to spread, didn’t alert anybody when they knew well in advance (again specifically in the context of a scenario I made up that you’re arguing with).

Anyways, gonna just agree to disagree after this post lmao. But I do think you’re just being intentionally dense here if you think there’s nothing wrong with a government creating a supervirus and allowing it to leak then covering up that leak and not alerting other governments, allowing it to spread, then watching the medical community scramble to try and fix it and not give them information on the origins that could speed up that process, all while the body count gets into the millions.

Could you imagine how f***ed things would be if Trump tried this lmao

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a nascent successor to SARS 1 that was boosted by China and they just accidentally mishandled it.

Yeehaw let's all get blown up to pieces

The whole world lost

Not to mention both would be post war Germany status for centuries (if they’re even existent)

On a financial level, the rest of the world would be f***ed even if no one outside of those two countries had damage

I don’t think they’re the most morally gifted nations, but it’s something that appears to have had value in these conversations before