Babaláwo

1y

I just think a growing sentiment you find with a lot of black Americans is a “where would you be with out us?”. Because of the “culture”. When in reality a lot of the freedoms we enjoy today as black people, the US has typically been one of the last nations to allow such freedoms.

Babaláwo

3y

Idk if this was more appropriate for Life sxn or Politics

But as the topic states, I feel like there has been a growing divide in the diaspora. Specifically between Black Americans, and black African immigrants/descendants. This is what prompted me to make a thread

Basically Emmanuel Acho was on Van’s podcast Higher Learning, and Van has always had an issue with the Emmanuel’s approach to handling racism, and white people. Basically Van feels like he coddles white people. So when Emmanuel came on the podcast, Van aired out all his grievances which led to a fruitless conversation. But the discourse seems to have pivoted to “Africans think they’re better than us (Black American)”. I’ve had some debates about this before in the now defunct black power thread and other topics across this forum. The issue seems to have grown since then. Because I’ve even had to deal with this type of rhetoric irl several times at the club of all places So I’m wondering what are y’all thoughts on this. Obviously I’m asking people who are part of the diaspora primarily

Scratchin Mamba

1y

That's true, and a lot of the advancements of the civil rights movement should also be put in the diplomatic context of African states gaining independence and Amerikkka not wanting to lose all their standing to the USSR who supported African independence.

However, the civil rights movement and Black power movement did a lot for Black people ideologically and in other ways than just other countries affording Black people more rights as a spillover

n1kedon

1y

Like growing up in Canada as a Somali I never saw myself as black and most of my Somali-American relatives straight up do not consider themselves either african-american or black americans.

It just does not make sense. Our history is different and our arrival to the west happened under a different context. A lot of our respective norms are different and so is the way we view life. The black people i see in my day to day life seem much closer to white people from my perspective than to me. So claiming black seems like just larping african american culture, it's weird.

That doesn't mean I hate anybody or wtv but it's just not us you know. However I do partially agree with Americans when it comes to hating Africans. A lot of them hold some weird type of resentment/jealousy towards black americans and will often look down upon them but then will come beg for some ties w them still because they generally are the wealthiest and have the most influence. I mean that's not why I hate them, but I'm saying that I understand where Americans are coming from.

n1kedon

1y

Like growing up in Canada as a Somali I never saw myself as black and most of my Somali-American relatives straight up do not consider themselves either african-american or black americans.

It just does not make sense. Our history is different and our arrival to the west happened under a different context. A lot of our respective norms are different and so is the way we view life. The black people i see in my day to day life seem much closer to white people from my perspective than to me. So claiming black seems like just larping african american culture, it's weird.

That doesn't mean I hate anybody or wtv but it's just not us you know. However I do partially agree with Americans when it comes to hating Africans. A lot of them hold some weird type of resentment/jealousy towards black americans and will often look down upon them but then will come beg for some ties w them still because they generally are the wealthiest and have the most influence. I mean that's not why I hate them, but I'm saying that I understand where Americans are coming from.

Babaláwo

1y

Your opinion isn’t surprising is all I’ll say.

n1kedon

1y

You have an idealized and unrealistic view of both Africa and Africans.

There is no brotherhood or unity, africans who assume there is are usually either liars or suckers. Also it's not true that we only came to know ourselves, some of us have millenias of history to source from.

We have similar political goals, we live in a white-dominated world and we face a lot of persecution for the color of our skin. That's something all of us should work towards in unison but that doesn't mean that we should all larp as if we are one people.

herald

1y

millennias of history but just a few moments ago you were quick to paint apartheid south africans as an illiterate nation without self determination?

no one said theres an all encompassing unity or that we're a cultural monolith. the issue was u pushing for Black bourgeois nationalism while enabling the damaging tribalist mentality that's already so prevalent among us.

We have similar political goals, we live in a white-dominated world and we face a lot of persecution for the color of our skin. That's something all of us should work towards in unison

that much is agreed.

n1kedon

1y

That's just begging

America's relations with Africa had very little to do with the civil rights movement because even back then Africa was not important in any meaningful manner to America. Did africans support it? Sure, but who gives a f*** exactly who Africans support from America's pov.

If America's relations to Africa was so important that they ended apartheid in their own country because of it then why did America support Apartheid South Africa for decades after the CRA was passed?

It was just the result of social movements local to America and black americans fighting for their rights. Not because of some illiterate foreigners a whole ocean away.

n1kedon

1y

Like growing up in Canada as a Somali I never saw myself as black and most of my Somali-American relatives straight up do not consider themselves either african-american or black americans.

It just does not make sense. Our history is different and our arrival to the west happened under a different context. A lot of our respective norms are different and so is the way we view life. The black people i see in my day to day life seem much closer to white people from my perspective than to me. So claiming black seems like just larping african american culture, it's weird.

That doesn't mean I hate anybody or wtv but it's just not us you know. However I do partially agree with Americans when it comes to hating Africans. A lot of them hold some weird type of resentment/jealousy towards black americans and will often look down upon them but then will come beg for some ties w them still because they generally are the wealthiest and have the most influence. I mean that's not why I hate them, but I'm saying that I understand where Americans are coming from.

Babaláwo

7mo

I think the reclamation of the “Soulaan” moniker for Black American identity is good. Like superb in how profound it is, and could still yet be. I’ve always felt “black”, “the culture” are just too broad and vague terms, that no 2 people could readily define.

“Are you black?” has always been such a loaded question. Especially now because a lot of nuance is lost with how people engage with identity politics. Cause black (skin color) immigrants coming to America facing that question might tell you no, and now they’re called self hating. They’re looking at it from a cultural perspective, which they don’t identify with. The racial component is often times second.

I think if this holds and grows, the question becomes “Are you “Soulaan?” Specifically of Black American descent then that will clear up a lot of the miscommunication in the diaspora imo.

Ngl it’s been a tiring week. Got called a tether this week

That Southern Fried Rice show KeKe Palmer had on her network somehow got FBA shooting at “Pan-Africanist” now.

Trump ain’t leaving in 2028 and FBA biggest focus is beefing the diaspora. How is it not a psyop movement?

Free YoungBoy

7mo

It’s not “beefing with the diaspora” it’s simply a response to the hate black American get from primarily Nigerians and South Africans. This FBA s*** doesn’t exist in a vacuum and itself isn’t even a bad thing.

African Americans are American. Their relationship to this country is gonna be different than other black people from around the world. No idea why you’re obsessed with making this a bad thing

Smacked Voodoo

7mo

"This FBA s*** doesn’t exist in a vacuum and itself isn’t even a bad thing."

It is.

Smacked Voodoo

7mo

Like growing up both Black Trini from my father and with a Black American mother from the South, you really begin to notice just how f***in stupid the FBA s*** truly is.

Also doesn't help that nowadays it's disingenuous as f*** and mainly used as a means to hide xenophobic ideology that directly impacts Black immigrants.

Pack that CIA bullshit the f*** up.

Free YoungBoy

7mo

Other blacks - you Americans have no culture, no history, no roots, no etc

Black American - connect with exactly all of those things

Other blacks - nooooo not like that CIA opp!!!!