standing up for the third world through the french speaking sphere is france's only hope but his predecessors gave that up a few years ago to go back on america's d***

I think the most problematic elements of that is the notion of an ethno-state itself and what it requires to be created

Also there will be differing takes on Hamas and the degree to which they're justified, some might say Israel brought this on themselves by occupying and brutalizing Palestinians for so long, some might say any innocent deaths caused by you thereby make you wrong in your cause, I would be surprised to see people consider them a good government though, outside of all of that...

All in all those seem like pretty normal takes and that they did actually put some effort into learning about the issue, whether I agree with each one or not

I do feel like people who behave as though they have the solution for this (i.e. a diplomatic solution that does justice to either group) are purely speculating, unless there's historical precedent that could really help with this situation...?

An argument I hear parroted/said often in regards the homeland take

Which I do kind of agree with, though?

"Jews deserve a homeland"

I am in alignment that Israel shouldn't be a Palestine replacement, but the idea of a homeland does seem somewhat valid? But I'm not a historian

I guess it's sometimes hard to disentangle anti-Zionist sentiments when they can border on anti semitisim in my mind. But knowing that modern day Israel is fundamentally us funded and colonial in nature doesn't sit well with me? I'm not trying to be "the guy who's just asking questions" but I also am just wrestling internally with this whole thing (Woe is me)

Do you support a two state solution? Do you think such a thing is possible at this stage?

wtf

How do we feel about the oct 7th attacks on israel?

As far as the homeland thing, I think ideally both groups should be able to live there,

but at the expense of life that there has been since the 40s, it makes that prospect seem increasingly far away,

then it becomes "Who gets it?" All or nothing takes on it, or two state solution...

I think legitimizing Palestine and with statehood and international protection would be clearly better than that of Gaza today, but there is so much loss that still remains, and that also could be seen as still legitimizing Israel's existence in the same form and capability that it was when it began the occupation and the response to oct 7, which is unacceptable for a lot of people, understandably

Personally I am at a loss to even try to predict what happens after this...

Whatever it is it'll never be enough, that void can't be filled, it'll just make a really big scar if its left alone

The framing of it as a war differs from the framing of it as a genocide it makes you think of the issue differently

I don't think people realise how close Israel and Sunni Arab countries have become in the last few years. They've signed normalization treaties with four Arab countries and Saudi Arabia will be next. The Sunni countries really despise Iran and it's extremist proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Long term, the Saudi normalization deal will involve Israeli concessions to the Palestinians, possibly a pathway to two states.

F*** outta here

??

I mean, youre a colonialist too.

Justified and supported by me personally, in accordance with international law

Why ask this question fam

Troll

Because i wanted to know the answer. This where we at in society these days i guess..dont ask questions it might offend someone

Nice troll post 🧌

all i did was ask you a question, same thing you did. relax

Welp

It was bad and the 33 consecutive oct 7s by Israel is worse by a factor of 1000

I kind of agree except that some form of retaliation was warranted but they have overdone it now.

I wonder where was this energy when USA was bombing the snot out of afghanistan after 9/11 though? Im sure if anyone was keeping track the civilian death count would have been quite high but dont remember there being much outrage

people do recognize now that the invasions of iraq and afghanistan were abhorrent, and there were anti war protests back then but yeah nowhere near as close as now.

tbh if social media was around back then we would’ve seen the same reckoning and protests across the us and around the world