CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

3w

How did this obviously AI song manage to fool this dork lol

insertcoolnamehere

3w

takes a deep breath

the whole irony culture thing might be an even greater pandemic than COVID itself due to the harm it's caused and a grand scale. Lot of tongue-in-cheek content that was made back in the early 10s by cacs and hipster-bred black people (aka oreo cacs) about material that otherwise woulda been seen as low-brow made way for an entire generation to swallow itself into believing its own hype.

Now you have journalists that follow the gimmick as a said personality now and the forefathers of said irony culture (e.g. Fantano) live long enough to see what they've done and even if they publicly regret it and denounce it, it is too late to rectify the harm that has been done to not just hip hop media but media altogether.

very off topic but related point: there's a WHOLE LOOOOT of popular right wing accounts that don't believe none of that s*** they be espousing but be doing so to grift. That s*** is lowkey more scarier than the motherfuckers that believe it.

tl;dr: irony culture leads the way to people downplaying legitimately good things and bigging up bad s***. Alphonse one of the biggest voices that do this.

threetwentysix

4w

bro genuinely went for "tonal whiplash turning him into a character that could exist in the coked-out melancholia of an early Bret Easton Ellis novel" for the most low-effort and wack AI song

insertcoolnamehere

3w

takes a deep breath

the whole irony culture thing might be an even greater pandemic than COVID itself due to the harm it's caused and a grand scale. Lot of tongue-in-cheek content that was made back in the early 10s by cacs and hipster-bred black people (aka oreo cacs) about material that otherwise woulda been seen as low-brow made way for an entire generation to swallow itself into believing its own hype.

Now you have journalists that follow the gimmick as a said personality now and the forefathers of said irony culture (e.g. Fantano) live long enough to see what they've done and even if they publicly regret it and denounce it, it is too late to rectify the harm that has been done to not just hip hop media but media altogether.

very off topic but related point: there's a WHOLE LOOOOT of popular right wing accounts that don't believe none of that s*** they be espousing but be doing so to grift. That s*** is lowkey more scarier than the motherfuckers that believe it.

tl;dr: irony culture leads the way to people downplaying legitimately good things and bigging up bad s***. Alphonse one of the biggest voices that do this.

Benny Boy

3w

I don't think you can start this timeline with "people started being ironic". That's not a serious way to look at history. Why were people being ironic? What social and political context made that culture so attractive to young people? Young people who are always stupid and never wield any power and are constantly replaced by new young people.

And I'm not sure how much better the nihilism of rap music writ large was than the ironic pockets inside of it. You weren't listening to Immortal Technique and Lowkey were you? Which major artists were supposed to innoculate their listeners against the future? Does that even sound feasible?

insertcoolnamehere

3w

takes a deep breath

the whole irony culture thing might be an even greater pandemic than COVID itself due to the harm it's caused and a grand scale. Lot of tongue-in-cheek content that was made back in the early 10s by cacs and hipster-bred black people (aka oreo cacs) about material that otherwise woulda been seen as low-brow made way for an entire generation to swallow itself into believing its own hype.

Now you have journalists that follow the gimmick as a said personality now and the forefathers of said irony culture (e.g. Fantano) live long enough to see what they've done and even if they publicly regret it and denounce it, it is too late to rectify the harm that has been done to not just hip hop media but media altogether.

very off topic but related point: there's a WHOLE LOOOOT of popular right wing accounts that don't believe none of that s*** they be espousing but be doing so to grift. That s*** is lowkey more scarier than the motherfuckers that believe it.

tl;dr: irony culture leads the way to people downplaying legitimately good things and bigging up bad s***. Alphonse one of the biggest voices that do this.

CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

3w

You talmbout music from Asher Roth, Das Racist, The Cool Kids type vibe?

insertcoolnamehere

3w

Yes.

insertcoolnamehere

3w

You not telling me Immortal Technique was nihilistic rap dawg

And I’m not saying it was the only cause but irony culture literally lead to “it’s not that deep” culture

Benny Boy

3w

No, I'm saying the opposite

insertcoolnamehere

3w

Oh gotcha. By the late 00s folks aint wanna hear political raps sadly

I loved Vol. 2 that was a childhood staple

Benny Boy

3w

Then you should have some deeper convictions about America than "it was the music I didn't like that led us here"

insertcoolnamehere

3w

Not enough space on this forum to type out a 12 paragraphed essay on this

Especially when I aint even say the music but the way said music is consumed.

AvenueJones

3w

It was niggas who never really listened to the Smiths, saw someone else name drop them and ran with it

AvenueJones

3w

It was niggas who never really listened to the Smiths, saw someone else name drop them and ran with it

CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

3w

If I speak....

F*** it, The Queen is Dead overrated AS FUHHHK