The man shot him 3 times not just 1 once, 2 while his back was turned

Mfer hit that weed walk corny he wouldnt have been normal after that

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not shooting him while he's running away at the bare minimum

Yeah, I know he got away with it and why.

Agreed those last couple shots were completely unnecessary

read the article nigga wtf is so complicated about that

I read your post, there’s some vital information in there that goes against what you’re saying.

I did. I don't see anything contradictory here. Where is the part that says the kid was armed and offering a warning by pulling a weapon instead of shooting him twice in the back was an impossibility?

As far as I can tell, he never saw the gun before he was shot. It was possible he didn't believe the dad or wasn't listening. Having the gun in his face would have been a different matter.

I think most of us can agree that shooting the guy twice more in the back was going too far and points to something else going on with the dad.

same

sheesh

Fair point on brandishing the weapon but I read some posts and apparently the father says to the kid “i have a gun.” Whats crazy is right after he says that then the kid starts banging the door even harder. At that point the dad might’ve had reason to believe he had a weapon too cus why buddy still going hard even after being told about the gun

You just said he could have brandished a gun

He told him loud and clear that he has a gun, and he started banging even harder. How is the father supposed to know he’s unarmed?

You made it seem like he just wanted to kill him, but he only shot after his daughter is on the phone with 911, asking him if he’s there to kill her. That directly contradicts what you said.

I added more to my post.

I don't think there's a reason to go back and forth about this; a poster asked what I would have done in that situation and I responded. What would have been more effective or clarifying someone else's motivations isn't really the point.

you good bruh

so you’re saying what the father should have done is let him break down the door and then brandish the weapon?

that’s fine if so, but you do realize you’re putting faith in the person breaking in to not start immediately shooting, because like I said, the dad didn’t know if he was armed.

if that’s what you would have done differently, cool. you’re the first person I’ve seen actually articulate that.

The way I figure it, even if the guy was armed, he wasn't able to reach for it while breaking the door in, whereas the dad had his gun loaded and ready to go. He had an advantage and enough time to consider his next move and he chose to shoot rather than brandish. In Ohio, that's justified by law. So he didn't do anything wrong in that sense.

I saw some tweets that said a warning shot would have been more of a legal gray area, you kind of have to shoot to kill or nothing. A warning shot definitely crossed my mind as well, but I guess that would have made things more complicated in the aftermath.

yeah if he just started firing warning shots he would have probably been locked up, that s*** is illegal as f***.

you’re accountable for every round spent. shots ricocheting are a real occurrence, I remember this one case about how a father was just shooting a gun in the air on the 4th of July and ended up killing a baby. so that’s completely out of the window if you’re a responsible gun owner.

my response was a bit like yours when I watched the video but then I immediately went looking for information to make sure I wasn’t just talking out of my ass.

if you fear for your life or your family is in immediate danger, this is just reality. it sucks, it really does. living in America has its perks but niggas will seriously just try to run in your house these days and then end up surprised when they get shot.

Yeah, it's a kill or be killed kind of nation unfortunately. I approach these discussions like I do abortion discussions, there's a reason why it's legal but I'm not thrilled about it. I would love for there to be less mental illness, rape, poverty, etc. leading to unfortunate circumstances but that's life.

So I come to this discussion seeing people pat this guy on the back and my first instinct is ugh f*** that but obviously it's a complicated issue necessitated by some 22 year old guy acting out of pocket.

I looked at it from the point of view that he’s protecting his daughter. She even thanked him for it afterwards, that speaks volumes about the situation.

There are a lot of laws in place that I do not agree with, but being able to protect yourself and your family is one that everybody should agree with. Situations just arise out of nowhere and you have to be able to think critically at a moments notice, even then you could still end up losing your life. It’s a f***ed up world.

That's fair to view it that way. I think for a lot of us reading this, the extra two shots in the back were a red flag. At its core, I'm sure he loves his daughter and wanted to protect her, even if he also harbored a lot of anger towards this person. Certainly both can be true.

I'm sure I'm 15-20 years, when she's that age, I'll have moments I hate my daughter's exes too and maybe I'll remember this story lol

Yeah I read that sentiment a few times and was going to explain that you can fire an entire clip in under a few seconds, and of course you shoot until the threat is neutralized.

So look at it like this, say he shoots one time (the father) and misses, that gives the dude at the door an opportunity to retreat and then shoot back (if he’s armed, remember that the father doesn’t know if he is) it’s sort of like firing a warning shot. Sort of.

I’d rather just neutralize the threat entirely, once I realize the threat is no longer armed, then maybe see if I can administer aid but I’m not qualified for that and 911 and an ambulance would have been on the way, anyway.

It’s a really complex list of things you have to be able to run through at the drop of a dime.

I get what you mean. You either warn or, failing that, neutralize. There isn't really a workable middle ground without putting yourself at greater physical or legal risk.

I said what I would have done and it would have been riskier than what he did because it takes for granted the variable of the guy being armed. But I couldn't imagine killing another person and having to live with that, it's just where my circumstances led me to. Of course, I would kill to protect my daughter if I felt I had no choice at all.

KTT has it's political compass slid to the far left not surprised by the comments. If you're bold enough to try to forcibly enter someone's home by breaking and entering you get what's coming for you. This man obviously wasn't sane.

Man, you’re the first rational person I’ve encountered on the other side of this argument, even if we disagree on a few things we can still find common ground lol maybe it was my approach with other people but you definitely seem more level headed and reasonable, genuinely shocked lol

Taking something you can’t give back is something any rational human being doesn’t want to do unless it’s absolutely necessary, trust me. It changes everything about you and makes you truly understand how fragile life is.

You say it like he intentionally shot him with his back turned. The door was closed and he was letting off shots in hopes that one would hit. Evidently all 3 hit

Lol well part of it is that I don't know s*** about shooting a firearm so when it comes to working through the details of a situation like this I don't assume I know everything.

I came into this thread super hot because all of us have our values and prepared positions for gun discussions, but I've never been someone who finds it practical to eliminate guns, only to minimize suffering. I think that should be our common goal because we value human life.

You bring up an interesting point, and maybe this is obvious and maybe it’s not but.. when I hear the topic of gun control all I think of is how criminals don’t abide by those laws, obviously, and if people are for taking away peoples guns you’re only hurting responsible gun owner’s ability to protect themselves and their loved ones.

It sucks that people use guns to commit crime, but the best deterrent for someone shooting you is you shooting them first.

I don’t run around brandishing firearms, I think that is the corniest s*** imaginable.I’m a rational person that understands the gravity of what comes after you pull the trigger. I understand what you meant when you brought up preconceived notions, I’m not looking to change your mind or anything like that, you’re entitled to your opinion but hopefully you go get you one and practice with it and learn how to clean it and be safe and responsible. You never know when you’ll need it.