Dec 4, 2023·1 reply
leals core rise
- Dec 4, 2023·1 reply
christmas movies > christmas songs
i can tolerate the song if it's in a movie but on it's own an xmas song just makes me wanna sudoku myself. thank working retail during the holidays when i was a teen for that.
Dec 4, 2023·1 replyleals core risechristmas movies > christmas songs
i can tolerate the song if it's in a movie but on it's own an xmas song just makes me wanna sudoku myself. thank working retail during the holidays when i was a teen for that.
Understandable. Mf gf likes Christmas music so I made a playlist of the best ones to make it tolerable. A surprising amount of cool bands made good ones;
T.Rexmaaaaaaas
This one's pretty stupid but still great to hear such classic beedles sound
- Dec 4, 2023·edited·2 repliesElric
I always thought Lou Reed had nothing but contempt for Dylan but he says this goofy epic from the 80s is one of the best things he's ever heard
!https://youtu.be/9FaUx-Re8i0?si=_Z9a_2tMokw5VSMh
Leonard thought so too apparentlyLou reed gets a pass cuz he's a legend but crazy to deny Dylan as by far the most innovative "pop" (in the traditional sense; popular, non jazz/classical) musician of that Era.
I had a little argument with my mom the other day when I was back home. Got a little heated
Was trying to argue that Dylan really innovated the idea of the album as a form of artistic and creative decleration. Where things shifted away from the album as just a collection of songs and more towards fully realized and coherent and creative expression and she was having none of it. Even brought up her favorite band the Beatles, and brought up The White Album/Abbey Road with its medley/and Sergeant pepper as an early concept album. And she thought those albums were just a collection of songs like their early ones. Had to get my dad to back me up even though he doesn't care for Dylan all that much (weird cuz he literally came from the same era as those guys.) but he fully agreed with me.
Broski, as someone who probably knows more about these guys than me (maybe not the Beatle but definitely Dylan.) Do you agree with my assessment, or were there people before Dylan? At least definitely not ones as significant.
I sort of consider the influence of Dylan a***ogous to the influence of Beethoven on Classical before and in the early stage of the Romantic period, but idk.
- Dec 4, 2023
trying to find that quote of bjork dissing dylan cuz it was hilarious but can't find it anywhere
- Dec 4, 2023Elric
Revisited classic Mermaids for the first time since I was a kid last night and realized that probably first exposed me to Smokey Robinson and a few other gems
Cher is so f***ing goddamn hot in her 40s it kills meyeah tbh haven't seen Mermaids. doesn't look like my type of flick, but the soundtrack looks real nice
- Dec 4, 2023Elric
Understandable. Mf gf likes Christmas music so I made a playlist of the best ones to make it tolerable. A surprising amount of cool bands made good ones;
T.Rexmaaaaaaas
!https://youtu.be/IinCXcqXsws?si=snlv_6nhm_qG1G6tThis one's pretty stupid but still great to hear such classic beedles sound
!https://youtu.be/KB7LX8mRRHM?si=HHBPEeTcugHUHA78@Very_Based
is that trex song a mashup of the beatles and baby please coming home lol?
Yeah I kinda fw that Beatles song. Didn't they release like 7 christmas albums. I've listened to all their studio albums and some there others but haven't listened to those xmas ones all the way through tbh. You heard them jawns? Maybe you are a bigger stan than me
I like the Lennon and Mccartney Christmas solos more I think. Lennon one is overplayed but tbh it's a classic.
rvi 🦤Dec 4, 2023·2 repliesVery Based· editedLou reed gets a pass cuz he's a legend but crazy to deny Dylan as by far the most innovative "pop" (in the traditional sense; popular, non jazz/classical) musician of that Era.
I had a little argument with my mom the other day when I was back home. Got a little heated
Was trying to argue that Dylan really innovated the idea of the album as a form of artistic and creative decleration. Where things shifted away from the album as just a collection of songs and more towards fully realized and coherent and creative expression and she was having none of it. Even brought up her favorite band the Beatles, and brought up The White Album/Abbey Road with its medley/and Sergeant pepper as an early concept album. And she thought those albums were just a collection of songs like their early ones. Had to get my dad to back me up even though he doesn't care for Dylan all that much (weird cuz he literally came from the same era as those guys.) but he fully agreed with me.
Broski, as someone who probably knows more about these guys than me (maybe not the Beatle but definitely Dylan.) Do you agree with my assessment, or were there people before Dylan? At least definitely not ones as significant.
I sort of consider the influence of Dylan a***ogous to the influence of Beethoven on Classical before and in the early stage of the Romantic period, but idk.
jazz artists already had the fully realized/coherent albums like that for years. yeah its not in the exact same way but still worth mentioning
i think Dylan being more from the folk tradition kinda complicates it a little tbh, i dont see his albums as much of a huge step up as Beatles in that way. lot of folk/country albums were already pretty cohesive by their very nature, bigger difference I hear with Dylan is how good they were
where the variety and pop approach of beatles felt more like something different. i'd say dylan started was doing it first but within a year or two Beatles were stepping further into that vein and have a feeling closer to what the modern popular music landscape became. both major contributors though alongside others and I think the credit can't be given too narrowly
and i think it can be kinda underrated sometimes how albums like Revolver or Rubber Soul are examples of that even if they obviously arent 'concept' albums, they balance together the 'collection of songs while still building together as one entity' thing. like if you take some random other albums (for example: MBDTF, Blonde, Dark Side of the Moon, Thriller) the way the albums are put together remind more of Beatles than Dylan
- Dec 4, 2023rvi
jazz artists already had the fully realized/coherent albums like that for years. yeah its not in the exact same way but still worth mentioning
i think Dylan being more from the folk tradition kinda complicates it a little tbh, i dont see his albums as much of a huge step up as Beatles in that way. lot of folk/country albums were already pretty cohesive by their very nature, bigger difference I hear with Dylan is how good they were
where the variety and pop approach of beatles felt more like something different. i'd say dylan started was doing it first but within a year or two Beatles were stepping further into that vein and have a feeling closer to what the modern popular music landscape became. both major contributors though alongside others and I think the credit can't be given too narrowly
and i think it can be kinda underrated sometimes how albums like Revolver or Rubber Soul are examples of that even if they obviously arent 'concept' albums, they balance together the 'collection of songs while still building together as one entity' thing. like if you take some random other albums (for example: MBDTF, Blonde, Dark Side of the Moon, Thriller) the way the albums are put together remind more of Beatles than Dylan
They cracked off Rubber Soul so quickly too that it was kind of a fluke/miracle that it cohered so perfectly
- Dec 4, 2023·edited·1 replyrvi
jazz artists already had the fully realized/coherent albums like that for years. yeah its not in the exact same way but still worth mentioning
i think Dylan being more from the folk tradition kinda complicates it a little tbh, i dont see his albums as much of a huge step up as Beatles in that way. lot of folk/country albums were already pretty cohesive by their very nature, bigger difference I hear with Dylan is how good they were
where the variety and pop approach of beatles felt more like something different. i'd say dylan started was doing it first but within a year or two Beatles were stepping further into that vein and have a feeling closer to what the modern popular music landscape became. both major contributors though alongside others and I think the credit can't be given too narrowly
and i think it can be kinda underrated sometimes how albums like Revolver or Rubber Soul are examples of that even if they obviously arent 'concept' albums, they balance together the 'collection of songs while still building together as one entity' thing. like if you take some random other albums (for example: MBDTF, Blonde, Dark Side of the Moon, Thriller) the way the albums are put together remind more of Beatles than Dylan
Yeah for sure, that's why I mentioned popular as divorced from jazz and classical as Jazz had already gone through its extensive evolution and had already arrived at Avant Garde or quasi-Avant Garde far before Dylan even released Freewheelin'. And then Ascension came out the same year as Blonde on Blonde. Also wasn't excluding Revolver (my favorite Beatles album) just didn't add it to that post. But I agree completely with what you said "even though they balance together the 'collection of songs while still building together as one entity' thing.” But I think this still applies to Dylan. That’s what I was trying to convey to my mom but I don’t think it got through.
edit: but thanks informative post I need to re-listen to Dylan's 60s album again and the folk music leading up to him.
And once again not comparing Dylan to Beethoven in that early post for his musicianship which is obviously inferior but rather his innovation, not the best a***ogy but I think it still stands.
Dec 4, 2023·1 reply- Dec 4, 2023·edited·1 replyVery Based· edited
Lou reed gets a pass cuz he's a legend but crazy to deny Dylan as by far the most innovative "pop" (in the traditional sense; popular, non jazz/classical) musician of that Era.
I had a little argument with my mom the other day when I was back home. Got a little heated
Was trying to argue that Dylan really innovated the idea of the album as a form of artistic and creative decleration. Where things shifted away from the album as just a collection of songs and more towards fully realized and coherent and creative expression and she was having none of it. Even brought up her favorite band the Beatles, and brought up The White Album/Abbey Road with its medley/and Sergeant pepper as an early concept album. And she thought those albums were just a collection of songs like their early ones. Had to get my dad to back me up even though he doesn't care for Dylan all that much (weird cuz he literally came from the same era as those guys.) but he fully agreed with me.
Broski, as someone who probably knows more about these guys than me (maybe not the Beatle but definitely Dylan.) Do you agree with my assessment, or were there people before Dylan? At least definitely not ones as significant.
I sort of consider the influence of Dylan a***ogous to the influence of Beethoven on Classical before and in the early stage of the Romantic period, but idk.
I agree with what RVI said
By Blonde he was for sure crafting the most masterful albums of a certain vibe/intent, but I don't think he was overthinking what his albums each meant as Big Statements. It was achieved through a cumulative effect as he piles on couplet after couplet of fascinating poetry in song after song when everybody else was happy singing SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH (which was fine).
His biggest, most influential achievement is just blowing the doors wide open for the vocabulary of all music. Everybody from Sam Cook to Joni to the Beatles heard his words and realized the lyrical box they had been trapped with was now gone. Sam heard Blowin In The Wind and literally asked himself why am just singing about romance and heartbreak when this white boy is out here doing this
"upon hearing Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind" in 1963, Cooke was greatly moved that such a poignant song about racism in America could come from someone who was not black, and was also ashamed he had not yet written something like that himself."
And then he immediately wrote A Change Is Gonna Come and we know how influential that was to the rest of soul music in general. Folk rock wouldn't have happened if The Byrds didn't cover Mr Tambourine man. Psychedelic rock wouldn't have happened without that song either. The Band wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for The Basement Tapes and they shifted the entire culture. The list goes on and on.
- Dec 4, 2023
I also think hes one of the most effective, affecting vocalists oat
- rvi 🦤Dec 4, 2023·2 repliesVery Based
Yeah for sure, that's why I mentioned popular as divorced from jazz and classical as Jazz had already gone through its extensive evolution and had already arrived at Avant Garde or quasi-Avant Garde far before Dylan even released Freewheelin'. And then Ascension came out the same year as Blonde on Blonde. Also wasn't excluding Revolver (my favorite Beatles album) just didn't add it to that post. But I agree completely with what you said "even though they balance together the 'collection of songs while still building together as one entity' thing.” But I think this still applies to Dylan. That’s what I was trying to convey to my mom but I don’t think it got through.
edit: but thanks informative post I need to re-listen to Dylan's 60s album again and the folk music leading up to him.
And once again not comparing Dylan to Beethoven in that early post for his musicianship which is obviously inferior but rather his innovation, not the best a***ogy but I think it still stands.
true but I also feel like people go too far to separate jazz from popular music acting like it was in an entirely different universe like classical was. even leaving aside the obvious connections like influence from jazz on contemporary musicians, all the hard bop generation jazz musicians playing on R&B albums/circuits, zeitgeist popularity of jazz a few decades earlier, artists blending jazz with other stuff, etc. I think the audience is a big factor and jazz audience wasn't totally pushed aside in favor of R&B/pop until later. and even that was a gradual shift, i dont think it suddenly happened once the early 70s hit
yeah I agree it applies to Dylan too to a significant extent and not just in the lyrical approach which was obviously the key part
- Dec 4, 2023·2 repliesVery Based
Orbison doing Willy Nelson
- rvi 🦤Dec 4, 2023·1 replyElric
Orbison doing Willy Nelson
!https://youtu.be/Knj9jg6TuDY?si=IjnoRBkcbElIepOm willie's pen
- Dec 4, 2023Very Based· edited
more
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kPH2MJzlg!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT7y9xySAU0!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EvZOXEoJ84!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4Uu0OlmTg!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EznGGYQ-Tv8!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fh133ZO1AE!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvI_FNrczzQ!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1POyzBNF0!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chDViGIMgS4That Soul Christmas album is great
- Dec 4, 2023rvi
willie's pen
orbinsons voice
the goat vocalist according to bob 
Dec 4, 2023·2 repliesSomeone in here recommended this to me years ago and it’s honestly one of my all time favorite songs at this point, but I finally checked out the rest of the album and it’s sadly just painfully meh. It’s a bunch of boring samey almost shameless Velvet Underground ripoffs. None of it’s bad really, but more like a whole lot of nothing. That however can't take away from how good of an opening track this is.
- Dec 4, 2023Fella
Someone in here recommended this to me years ago and it’s honestly one of my all time favorite songs at this point, but I finally checked out the rest of the album and it’s sadly just painfully meh. It’s a bunch of boring samey almost shameless Velvet Underground ripoffs. None of it’s bad really, but more like a whole lot of nothing. That however can't take away from how good of an opening track this is.
!https://youtube.com/watch?v=KjRLmoPzt0E&si=2lDtAkmDV9ahjTnnI probably told you that youd like it more than I did
- Dec 4, 2023·3 replies
Guess this finally the year this gets added to my Christmas playlist
Blue sinking in a littleAssume it's considered a classic alternative Christmas song?
- Dec 4, 2023Elric
Guess this finally the year this gets added to my Christmas playlist
Blue sinking in a littleAssume it's considered a classic alternative Christmas song?
!https://youtu.be/3NH-ctddY9o?si=XdnJKWpmklQ2wx-GNever thought of it as a Christmas song. It’s just one of the best singer/songwriter songs of all time.
Dec 4, 2023ElricGuess this finally the year this gets added to my Christmas playlist
Blue sinking in a littleAssume it's considered a classic alternative Christmas song?
!https://youtu.be/3NH-ctddY9o?si=XdnJKWpmklQ2wx-GDefinitely a Christmas song
- Dec 4, 2023·1 replyFella
Someone in here recommended this to me years ago and it’s honestly one of my all time favorite songs at this point, but I finally checked out the rest of the album and it’s sadly just painfully meh. It’s a bunch of boring samey almost shameless Velvet Underground ripoffs. None of it’s bad really, but more like a whole lot of nothing. That however can't take away from how good of an opening track this is.
!https://youtube.com/watch?v=KjRLmoPzt0E&si=2lDtAkmDV9ahjTnnGreat band, I been jamming their debut a lot recently
- Dec 4, 2023drjdeponytail
@branmalt @Bizzle holy
!https://youtu.be/RvVH9hgFFbE?si=wFCPcOECq-0jR0Q9 He's so f***ing good
